Reformation Sunday

[preachinjesus]

Organic Successionism, or the JJJ-Theory (Trail of Blood) of Baptist origins, is an erroneous position which has been thoroughly disproven through reasonable historical investigation.

Baptist don't go back to the New Testament. They started in the 1600s out of British Separatism influenced by Anabaptists of the Radical Reformation.

 

[Jerome]

Thank you. The antipathy and prejudice some here have expressed towards Anabaptists is troubling:

Some of those diverse convictions remained under the blanket of orthodoxy; while still others, such as the Anabaptists, adopted radical and dangerous views that threatened the welfare of the church.

Paige Patterson has led SWBTS in celebrating Radical Reformation Day each year.:thumbs:

 

[seekingthetruth]

Organic Successionism, or the JJJ-Theory (Trail of Blood) of Baptist origins, is an erroneous position which has been thoroughly disproven through reasonable historical investigation.

Baptist don't go back to the New Testament. They started in the 1600s out of British Separatism influenced by Anabaptists of the Radical Reformation.

Are you saying that before the 16th century that the RCC was the only church?

John

 

[preachinjesus]

Are you saying that before the 16th century that the RCC was the only church?

Though we probably have a different understanding of what I mean by church, essentially yes.

 

[Luke2427]

I believe in eternal security, so I cannot be labeled Arminian.

That shows how ignorant you are on the subject and proves that you have no business speaking on these matters due to your lack of understanding concerning them.

JACOBUS ARMINIUS was not settled on the matter of security himself. He could very EASILY have believed in eternal security.

If you knew beans from apple butter about the matter you would have known that.

So you could quite easily be a thoroughgoing Arminian. Believing in eternal security does not make you NOT an Arminian.

 

[Luke2427]

Also Herald

We are not Landmark Baptists. We do believe that our heritage goes back to the New Testament church, but we do recognise the universal church (body of believers). And our communion is open to all believers, not just our local members. And we do accept believer's baptism from other denominations if it is admistered scriptually.

John

What do you mean when you say your heritage goes all the way back to the NT?

That is true for the orthodox Christian faith and all of us within that faith.

If you mean that there is a steady line of BAPTISTS all the way back, you have swallowed a big fat lie perpetrated by pseudo historians.

There is simply no line of baptists all the way back to the NT. We ALL came out of the Reformation- I think this includes Anabaptists, but who cares? Anabaptists are not best represented by IFBers today. They are best represented by Mennonites and other fringe, isolationist groups.

If you are IFB in the south you split off of the SBC which is a PROTESTANT denomination. So your line goes right back to the Protestant Reformation.

You are the doctrinal progeny of Luther- like it, lump it, thump it, bump it or jump it.

 

[seekingthetruth]

This? Coming from an educated idiot?

That shows how ignorant you are on the subject and proves that you have no business speaking on these matters due to your lack of understanding concerning them.

JACOBUS ARMINIUS was not settled on the matter of security himself. He could very EASILY have believed in eternal security.

If you knew beans from apple butter about the matter you would have known that.

So you could quite easily be a thoroughgoing Arminian. Believing in eternal security does not make you NOT an Arminian.

I sat here and watched you call others "ignorant" and observed your superior and even arrogant attitude. Can you not debate a matter without making personal attacks? You are by far the most arrogant, condescending, self righteous hypocrite on this board.

For what it's worth, I don't care what Jacobus Arminius believed. Today we associate Arminians with salvation by grace plus works, so I am definately NOT Arminian!

Please do not address me again, and I will never address you.

John

 

[Luke2427]

I sat here and watched you call others "ignorant" and observed your superior and even arrogant attitude. Can you not debate a matter without making personal attacks? You are by far the most arrogant, condescending, self righteous hypocrite on this board.

For what it's worth, I don't care what Jacobus Arminius believed. Today we associate Arminians with salvation by grace plus works, so I am definately NOT Arminian!

Please do not address me again, and I will never address you.

John

I am not calling you ignorant. I am pointing out where you identify yourself as ignorant on this subject.

And arrogance is almost never what popular opinion thinks it is.
The same with humility.

Arrogance is speaking authoritatively on something as if you know what you are talking about when you clearly do not.

Humility is rebuking such arrogance while being willing to take flack from everybody for doing so. Humility is being more concerned with reproving darkness than receiving affirmation and approval.

Your way of thinking, this IFB mentality that so many IFB's have- is DARKNESS.

Befriending it does not work. Coddling it does not work.

And even if it did we are not supposed to have our actions guided by pragmatism but by Scripture.

Scripture says to EARNESTLY CONTEND for the Faith.
Scripture says to REPROVE the unfruitful works of darkness.
Scripture says to CAST DOWN imaginations and every high thing that exalts itself against the KNOWLEDGE of GOD.

True humility is not avoiding that and being pragmatic and getting people to approve of you and call you a sweet guy. That is the dead level OPPOSITE of humility.

Humility is being willing to be ostracized for doing what is right because you care more about truth than your own self.

 

[seekingthetruth]

I am not calling you ignorant. I am pointing out where you identify yourself as ignorant on this subject.

And arrogance is almost never what popular opinion thinks it is.
The same with humility.

Arrogance is speaking authoritatively on something as if you know what you are talking about when you clearly do not.

Humility is rebuking such arrogance while being willing to take flack from everybody for doing so. Humility is being more concerned with reproving darkness than receiving affirmation and approval.

Your way of thinking, this IFB mentality that so many IFB's have- is DARKNESS.

Befriending it does not work. Coddling it does not work.

And even if it did we are not supposed to have our actions guided by pragmatism but by Scripture.

Scripture says to EARNESTLY CONTEND for the Faith.
Scripture says to REPROVE the unfruitful works of darkness.
Scripture says to CAST DOWN imaginations and every high thing that exalts itself against the KNOWLEDGE of GOD.

True humility is not avoiding that and being pragmatic and getting people to approve of you and call you a sweet guy. That is the dead level OPPOSITE of humility.

Humility is being willing to be ostracized for doing what is right because you care more about truth than your own self.

How dare you speak of humility when you have never experienced it!

 

[preacher4truth]

To be honest here, this thing of being able to trace "ones heritage" all the way back to Pentecost in Acts (or thereabouts if it is to some other specific 1st century event) is nothing but pride.

Didn't the Pharisees practice the same thing about their personal "stock" and tribe and brag about these things? Of course they did. It had nothing to do with whether or not they were really and truly "Israel" within the sense of being God's elect and chosen.

Sorry, but I see nothing within this "tracing back" but persons being supercilious, showing a lack of humility and an abundance of pride.

The only thing we need to concern ourselves with is being regenerate and a child of God by His grace, "chosen in Him." Anything other than this that reflects on ones "brand" of baptist, "heritage" &c is nothing more than a flesh parade and is nothing less than this.

 

[Robert Snow]

Will the worship of Calvinism ever stop? :tongue3:

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Will the worship of Calvinism ever stop? :tongue3:

Its actually Marty we love....evidenced by the following statement....."You are the doctrinal progeny of Luther- like it, lump it, thump it, bump it or jump it".

Almighty fortress is our God....

 

[seekingthetruth]

To be honest here, this thing of being able to trace "ones heritage" all the way back to Pentecost in Acts (or thereabouts if it is to some other specific 1st century event) is nothing but pride.

Didn't the Pharisees practice the same thing about their personal "stock" and tribe and brag about these things? Of course they did. It had nothing to do with whether or not they were really and truly "Israel" within the sense of being God's elect and chosen.

Sorry, but I see nothing within this "tracing back" but persons being supercilious, showing a lack of humility and an abundance of pride.

The only thing we need to concern ourselves with is being regenerate and a child of God by His grace, "chosen in Him." Anything other than this that reflects on ones "brand" of baptist, "heritage" &c is nothing more than a flesh parade and is nothing less than this.

I don't mean it to come across as pride. It is simply that God has preserved the church. The NT church never ceased to exist. It had problems with doctrine, and it wasn't always called Baptist, but it still survived, evolved, and has emerged as the modern church we have today.

John

 

[preacher4truth]

Its actually Marty we love....evidenced by the following statement....."You are the doctrinal progeny of Luther- like it, lump it, thump it, bump it or jump it".

Almighty <sic> fortress is our God....

A Mighty Fortress is our God.

Must be your joyzy accent.

 

[freeatlast]

I don't mean it to come across as pride. It is simply that God has preserved the church. The NT church never ceased to exist. It had problems with doctrine, and it wasn't always called Baptist, but it still survived, evolved, and has emerged as the modern church we have today.

John

I am not so sure I would put too much honor in the modern day church. :tear:

 

[seekingthetruth]

I am not so sure I would put too much honor in the modern day church. :tear:

Now that is the most truthfull statement anyone has made on here.

John