Reformed Speculation VS Jesus Christ

[Yeshua1]

I'm not looking for human cooperation. I said from the beginning of our interaction that faith is bestowed. What you are looking for is a way of salvation apart from faith. The hearing of faith doesn't depend on carnal ears or cognitive development. It's a spiritual thing, but I see by your wresting that you think faith is something we possess by nature. A human thing. I don't think you're so zealous for the Gospel here as you are for the hope that there is some other way to enter in, and calling it grace.

God is blocked from saving infants and challenged persons then unless they can believe?

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes, Premillennialism is a fallacy.

Spurgeon, fellow reformed baptist, would disagree with you!

 

[Yeshua1]

Tell me about the souls of these infants. Their souls, not their underdeveloped brains or bodies. Are their souls infantile? Those taken in infancy, do their infant souls depend on heavenly nurseries? Do they suckle at the breasts of angels? Or are their souls like the souls of those adults who are taken?

In the Resurrection, will it be an infant body?

Tell me those things, and I will tell you whether or not they can believe.

No. Because I don't see where all infants are elect by virtue of their infancy. But if all infants are, then can you deny them baptism?

You are judging by the outward appearance. You think of faith as an 'adult' thing or a cognitive exercise, and not a spiritual gift. And you are retaining superstitious notions of ghosts in your thinking. You think of one's body as a reflection of one's soul, and thinking that the souls of infants are as infants, and they are not.



Yes it is by grace that God works in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure. But you're looking for a way into the fold by means other than the Door.



Nothing is impossible. But not all things are His will.

So all aborted are forever lost then?

 

[AustinC]

I'm not looking for human cooperation. I said from the beginning of our interaction that faith is bestowed. What you are looking for is a way of salvation apart from faith. The hearing of faith doesn't depend on carnal ears or cognitive development. It's a spiritual thing, but I see by your wresting that you think faith is something we possess by nature. A human thing. I don't think you're so zealous for the Gospel here as you are for the hope that there is some other way to enter in, and calling it grace.

You preach synergism and law.
You say that there must be both grace and faith for there to be salvation.
What I have quoted from scripture is that we are "saved by grace."

"Through faith" means that faith is gifted to the redeemed by God so that we might believe we are saved. Faith is an effect of salvation, not a cause of salvation.

Since the unborn, the infant and the mentally incapacitated human is redeemed by grace without capacity to express faith, what reason would God have to gift them faith in their state? They will enter the Kingdom of God because the Redeemer chooses to redeem them, not because they must exercise their gift of faith to be saved.

Aaron, you add law to the covenant of grace. You teach synergism whereby man must exercise faith to be saved while God exercises grace. Such teaching lifts up humans and reduces God.
I teach that God exercises grace to save and God gives us faith to believe He has graciously saved us. God does it all because we can do nothing to assist God in his work of redemption.

 

[Alan Gross]

God is blocked from saving infants and challenged persons then unless they can believe?

God can Make a Dead Soul with an intellect convicted and Grant them Repentance and Faith, to 'Believe".

He would need to, to an infant, or other challenged minds.

He Did in John The Baptist.

God is blocked from inventing a second Gospel that is not His Son's.

 

[Yeshua1]

God can Make a Dead Soul with an intellect convicted and Grant them Repentance and Faith, to 'Believe".

He would need to, to an infant, or other challenged minds.

He Did in John The Baptist.

God is blocked from inventing a second Gospel that is not His Son's.

That would still be God directly determining to save infants then, question would be some or all?

 

[Alan Gross]

That would still be God directly determining to save infants then, question would be some or all?

God Determines and Has not Chosen to share.

The question is, "Do we Love a God like that"?

If He very well does leave some portion of infants in their sins.

It is better than loving our flesh that would invent something about an area not Revealed.

 

[Yeshua1]

God Determines and Has not Chosen to share.

The question is, "Do we Love a God like that"?

If He very well does leave some portion of infants in their sins.

It is better than loving our flesh that would invent something about an area not Revealed.

That would be one of those Hidden things that belong only to the Lord!

 

[Aaron]

God is blocked from saving infants and challenged persons then unless they can believe?

Infants and challenged persons are blocked from believing?

Spurgeon, fellow reformed baptist, would disagree with you!

He's not infallible.

So all aborted are forever lost then?

Who said that?

You preach synergism and law.

No I don't, and you know I don't. You're just saying that because you want an alternate means of salvation.

Since the unborn, the infant and the mentally incapacitated human is ... without capacity to express faith

Sez who?

 

[Yeshua1]

Infants and challenged persons are blocked from believing?

He's not infallible.


Who said that?

No I don't, and you know I don't. You're just saying that because you want an alternate means of salvation.

Sez who?

God? He can do for them what they cannot for themselves?

 

[Aaron]

God? He can do for them what they cannot for themselves?

That's kind of the case in everyone that's saved, isn't it? What is it you think you did youself in your case?

 

[AustinC]

Infants and challenged persons are blocked from believing?

He's not infallible.


Who said that?

No I don't, and you know I don't. You're just saying that because you want an alternate means of salvation.

Sez who?

Aaron, your own insistence on grace, plus..., shows you teach synergism.
Moreso, you condemn all unborn, infants and mentally impaired person's to hell because they do not fit your declaration that though God saves by grace, humans must exhibit faith in order for God to truly save them.

I am not seeking something outside of scripture. The Bible tells us we are saved by grace.
You add "plus law" to the scriptures. I have clearly expressed from scripture that faith is an effect of God's gracious salvation.

Instead of denying, it would be better if you honestly admitted you are a synergist.

 

[Salty]

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[Aaron]

Aaron, your own insistence on grace, plus..., shows you teach synergism.
Moreso, you condemn all unborn, infants and mentally impaired person's to hell because they do not fit your declaration that though God saves by grace, humans must exhibit faith in order for God to truly save them.

I am not seeking something outside of scripture. The Bible tells us we are saved by grace.
You add "plus law" to the scriptures. I have clearly expressed from scripture that faith is an effect of God's gracious salvation.

Instead of denying, it would be better if you honestly admitted you are a synergist.

k

 

[AustinC]

k

Great, now we know you have openly admitted that salvation is by grace plus works. This is important for a synergist to acknowledge if they are ever going to move to a position of salvation by grace alone.

 

[Aaron]

Great, now we know you have openly admitted that salvation is by grace plus works. This is important for a synergist to acknowledge if they are ever going to move to a position of salvation by grace alone.

k

 

[Yeshua1]

That's kind of the case in everyone that's saved, isn't it? What is it you think you did youself in your case?

No, not into Universalism, but that the Lord does redeemed those such as infants and babes and mentally impaired!

 

[AustinC]

k

Great

The depth of your answer is revealing to all.

 

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