The Catholic Church doesn't teach that intercession and Purgatory justify us.
Besides - ALL Christians practice intercession which is commanded of us in the Bible (James 5:16).
Do your homework . . .
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Reformers' interpretations of the AntiChrist
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Besides - ALL Christians practice intercession which is commanded of us in the Bible (James 5:16).
Do your homework . . .
only "saints" go directly to heaven, correct?
No - anybody who goes to Heaven is a saint.
Why do you ask??
The RCC is not Christ's church. However, it is one of the earliest apostasies. And certainly the greatest persecutor of Christians of all the many apostates. The RCC failed to exterminate True Christianity. Though it did murder millions trying to. You see there's one little hurdle the RCC apostacy can't overcome. Jesus said His Church would be the persecuted, not the persecutor. The RCC is and always has been Rome.
1 John 2:18-27 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge. I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that he made to us—eternal life. I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in him.
Hobie
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Where in scripture is she declared sinless or given worship....
1 John 1:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Romans 3:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Mother is just a relation, it doesn't need to be biological it is what it is. Does God have a Mother? YES.
God also has a SHOE but no one throws a fit over something being a called the SHOE OF GOD.
Where you should disagree most is Catholics don't teach God is a servant of SATAN and unconditionally hates people from the foundation of world.
HOBIE why don't you stop worshiping MARY and HER REINCARNATION ELLEN G WHITE as GODDESSES?
2 John 1
1The elder to the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in truth; and not only I, but also all who know the truth, 2for the sake of the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever: 3Grace, mercy and peace will be with us, from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
4I was very glad to find some of your children walking in truth, just as we have received commandment to do from the Father. 5Now I ask you, lady, not as though I were writing to you a new commandment, but the one which we have had from the beginning, that we love one another. 6And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.
7For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8Watch yourselves, that you do not lose what we have accomplished, but that you may receive a full reward. 9Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. 10If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; 11for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds.
12Though I have many things to write to you, I do not want to do so with paper and ink; but I hope to come to you and speak face to face, so that your joy may be made full.
13The children of your chosen sister greet you.
Ummmm, first of all - Mary is NOT worshiped in the Catholic Church this is strictly forbidden.
Worship of anybody or anything other than God is IDOLATRY - so enough with your false claims.
As for Mary being sinless - we read this in Luke 1:28.
The Greek word is Kecharitomene that Luke used in his Gospel (v.1:28), which is the perfect passive participle, indicates a completed action with a permanent result. It translates, “completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace.” Kecharitomene is not a mere description here. It is used as a title – a name.
The Angel didn’t say, “Hail Mary, full of grace.” He said, Hail, Kecharitomene.”
As for your abuse of Rom. 3:10, this is general, inclusive language - not particular language.
It actually comes from Psalm 14 and is talking about the wicked. In verse 5 of that SAME Psalm, we read that God is in the company of the "RIGHTEOUS".
Gee - and I though YOU said there was "NONE" righteous" . . .
Tell me something - in Matt. 2:3, it says that Herod was "greatly troubled" about the news of a newborn King - "and ALL of Jerusalem with him."
Really?? "ALL" of Jerusalem - including babies and the mentally ill?
They were ALL troubled - or is this simply another example of inclusive language??
Why is there any Purgatory, as we ALL are saints to God when saved!
This is coming from a person who doesn't understand Purgatory.
Purgatory - or Final Purification isn't a place of damnation. It is where we are purified before entering Heaven. Rev. 21:27 says that NOTHING impure can enter Heaven. Those of us who still have an attachment to our own will need to be purified before entering.
1 Cor. 3:10-15 explains this process perfectly:
"According to the grace of God given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building upon it. But each one must be careful how he builds upon it, for no one can lay a foundation other than the one that is there, namely, Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, the work of each will come to light, for the Day (judgment) will disclose it. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each one’s work. If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage.
But if someone’s work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person WILL be saved, but only as through fire."
This CAN'T be Heaven because the person "suffers".
This CAN'T be Hell because the person is eventually saved.
This is talking about a third state - the state of final purification.
Mother of god gives impression that she birthed God as being His creator!
We have been already declared by God Himself to be just as sinless in His sight as Jesus Himself!
Not of your FUTURE sins.
when we come to Christ and are Baptized - our PAST sins are forgiven (Acts 2:38).
We still need to repent of ANY sins we commit in the future.
Wow, that is works salvation, apart from grace. In your teaching, you have to do things to be saved and to remain in that place of salvation. If you fail in any way, you go to purgatory where you then have to work off your sins.
Ultimately, Jesus atoning sacrifice is weak unless you do all the required actions. Your teaching makes me sad for you and any who believe as you do. No assurance.
Would you sing..."Blessed possible assurance, Jesus may possibly be mine"? Do you think Fanny Crosby's lyrics are wrong?
water baptism done to those who already have been saved by grace of God, and the lord promised to never leave nor forsake His own, to be able to save forever all that he saves, do you believe Him?
Their view mirrors the Sda Cult, as both teach conditionally saved, as in saved for all past sins, but we have to make sure to work hard enough to merit final salvation!
We Baptists would sinf" I will cling to that old wooden cross" but RCC would add" and also cling to water baptism, mary, saints, eucherist etc!"
Soooo, you're saying that you DON'T have to repent??
That's NOT what Scripture says . . .
Acts 2:38
Peter [said] to them, “REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the holy Spirit.
We don't just get to sit there in open rebellion against God and get forgiven without repenting.
This isn't "works salvation". It's cooperation with God's grace.
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