Refuse To Be Baptized?

[Silverhair]

Election is unconditional, not church membership.

Now Aaron you know that God has set the condition for salvation as being trust in His son.

I am sure you have these verses in your bible but perhaps you have not read them as of yet.

Eph 1:13, Rom 10-9-10, Joh 3: 16-18, Act_10:42-43

I could go on but I am sure those will point you in the right direction.

 

[Aaron]

Now Aaron you know that God has set the condition for salvation as being trust in His son.

I am sure you have these verses in your bible but perhaps you have not read them as of yet.

Eph 1:13, Rom 10-9-10, Joh 3: 16-18, Act_10:42-43

I could go on but I am sure those will point you in the right direction.

The thread is about baptism. Not election, the birthmark of which is faith. We've been around and around on that, and if you want to go again, start another thread and I'll be happy to engage you and expose your numerous eisegeses, wrestings, and other hermeneutical offenses. But here, we'll talk about your mistaken notions concerning baptism.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

Here is the thing. There is no command in the Bible for the believer to be baptized except for Peter's command in Acts 2:38. If one feels that Peter's command is not just to those at Pentecost but to all who believe, fine, but I don't interpret it that way.

This is not correct. Peter's command in Acts 2:38 is not the only command to be baptized. While Peter was preaching to Cornelius and all those who were gathered with him, God interrupted Peter's message by giving the Spirit to all the unbelievers who were there because they had repented and believed:

Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.

Because God had supernaturally attested to their genuine salvation, Peter then commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord:

Acts 10:46c Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Baptism is commanded of all believers. A steadfast refusal to be baptized by someone who is physically capable of being baptized calls that person's salvation into serious question. At best, such a person who persistently refuses to be baptized is a very disobedient believer.

 

[Silverhair]

The thread is about baptism. Not election, the birthmark of which is faith. We've been around and around on that, and if you want to go again, start another thread and I'll be happy to engage you and expose your numerous eisegeses, wrestings, and other hermeneutical offenses. But here, we'll talk about your mistaken notions concerning baptism.

If you remember you are the one that said "Election is unconditional" so just correcting your error.

You do come across as what many would call a blowhard.

But I just see you as someone that has not come to grips with the truths of the bible.

But please tell me what mistaken notions I have regarding baptism?

 

[Aaron]

But I just see you as someone that has not come to grips with the truths of the bible.

Same to ya.

 

[Aaron]

But please tell me what mistaken notions I have regarding baptism?

We'll start here:


Like Q

Then you are making baptism a condition of salvation, which is unbiblical.

Baptism is a condition of church membership.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The Church.

Who cares about your grand uncle or the RCC?

What about excommunication when it's done right? Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. - Matthew 18:15-17

The Church.

What church? Jesus also says you should wash the feet of the bretheren….do you wash their feet. My church does.

 

[Silverhair]

We'll start here:


Like Q

Baptism is a condition of church membership.

My concern is not being part of a church but in being in the body of Christ.

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.

Rom 3:24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

2Co 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,

 

[Silverhair]

Same to ya.

But you seem to have come to grips with a philosophy from the 4th century.

 

[Silverhair]

I refuse to be baptized by a church that is Lordship or sprinkle baptism or a church run by a woman.

Well if you have been baptized then why would you need to be baptized again?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Well if you have been baptized then why would you need to be baptized again?

A new church perhaps.

 

[Aaron]

What church? Jesus also says you should wash the feet of the bretheren….

The church of which Christ spoke when He gave the commandment.

do you wash their feet. My church does.

No, it's not an ordinance of the church, and there's no one in these parts standing in need of it.

 

[Aaron]

My concern is not being part of a church but in being in the body of Christ.

Of what do you think chuch membership testifies?

 

[KJB1611reader]

Well if you have been baptized then why would you need to be baptized again?

I never was baptized. The only churches here do sprinkle.

 

[Aaron]

I never was baptized. The only churches here do sprinkle.

Why weren't you baptized under the preaching you heard when you were saved?

 

[KJB1611reader]

Why weren't you baptized under the preaching you heard when you were saved?

That was in the pandemic, second I didn't find a church that wasn't Lordship. Third: I am studying abroad. Fourth: preaching I heard was from YT.

 

[Silverhair]

Of what do you think chuch membership testifies?

That you agree with teachings of that denomination.

 

[Aaron]

That was in the pandemic, second I didn't find a church that wasn't Lordship. Third: I am studying abroad. Fourth: preaching I heard was from YT.

You shouldn't be partaking at the Lord's Table if you haven't yet identified with Christ through baptism.

 

[Aaron]

That you agree with teachings of that denomination.

That's all?

 

[Silverhair]

I never was baptized. The only churches here do sprinkle.

Baptism is a public declaration [outward expression] that we believe [an inward reality] in Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior. The Scriptures tell us that we have eternal life the moment we believe Joh_5:24, and belief always comes before being baptized. Baptism does not save us any more than walking into a garage makes us a car. We are saved when we believe.

So that being the truth why does it matter how you are baptized. Now as a baptist I think it should be dunked all the way under but since it is just your public statement then it is what's in your heart that matters not how wet you get.