Regeneration happens at the same time as saving faith is given,

[MB]

Bite your Bible.

So much bitterness and hatered
MB

 

[Alan Gross]

So much bitterness and hatered
MB

Well I do and I understand because I'm saved an have been for over 60 years. Actually your the one with no grasp or the sesne to understand it. You show you don't understand it in every post you put up..
MB

Iconoclast already gave The Bible understanding of God's Position that you call, "Calvinist", and then hate.

If I could help people control their crying about such things as The Realities of God, I'd get rich.

Let me know if Biting your Bible helps and I'll pass that on to others.

How can you say that Cornelius was regenerated before he even knew Christ. Sounds to me like your in denial of the truth. I've found that most Calvinist would rather believe false doctrine than admit they are wrong. This is really sad.
MB

1. He operates immediately upon the heart to prepare the way for the truth. This is evident

(1.) From the description given of man's spiritual condition.

(a) As spiritually dead. Eph. 2:1.

(b) As blind. Eph. 4:18.

(c) As slaves to sin. John 8:34; Rom. 6:17, 19.

(d) As needing deliverance from the powers of darkness. Col. 1:13.

(e) As incapable of knowing or discerning the things of the Spirit. 1 Cor. 2:14; Eph. 4:18.

(f) As incapable of changing himself. Jer. 13:23.

(g) As defiled in conscience. Tit. 1:15.

These passages show man in a condition from which he must be rescued even to understand and appreciate the truth of God.

 

[MB]

Iconoclast already gave The Bible understanding of God's Position that you call, "Calvinist", and then hate.

If I could help people control their crying about such things as The Realities of God, I'd get rich.

Let me know if Biting your Bible helps and I'll pass that on to others.



1. He operates immediately upon the heart to prepare the way for the truth. This is evident

(1.) From the description given of man's spiritual condition.

(a) As spiritually dead. Eph. 2:1.

(b) As blind. Eph. 4:18.

(c) As slaves to sin. John 8:34; Rom. 6:17, 19.

(d) As needing deliverance from the powers of darkness. Col. 1:13.

(e) As incapable of knowing or discerning the things of the Spirit. 1 Cor. 2:14; Eph. 4:18.

(f) As incapable of changing himself. Jer. 13:23.

(g) As defiled in conscience. Tit. 1:15.

These passages show man in a condition from which he must be rescued even to understand and appreciate the truth of God.

I don't really care about a bunch of Calvinism. It goes directly against the truth. I feel sorry for those who reject the truth. I don't hate Calvinist, It's obvious that you hate everyone who opposes your heretical doctrine This alone shows just who you are with no love for your neighbor..I tell people why I don't accept Calvinism because I really do care about calvinist. You on the other hand hate me because I express the truth and you'd like to shut me up but you can't .
You can go ahead and believe nonsense if that's your thing. But as for me and mine we will serve the Lord..
MB

 

[Alan Gross]

I don't really care about a bunch of Calvinism. It goes directly against the truth. I feel sorry for those who reject the truth. I don't hate Calvinist, It's obvious that you hate everyone who opposes your heretical doctrine This alone shows just who you are with no love for your neighbor..I tell people why I don't accept Calvinism because I really do care about calvinist. You on the other hand hate me because I express the truth and you'd like to shut me up but you can't .
You can go ahead and believe nonsense if that's your thing. But as for me and mine we will serve the Lord..
MB

I have a question, then.

Why do you call, "The Bible", and it's verses, "Calvinist"?

 

[MB]

n.

I have a question, then.

Why do you call, "The Bible", and it's verses, "Calvinist"?

I do not this is in your imagination. After your absurd comments you've made about me I quit reading them past where you addressed me. What makes you think I would enjoy your nasty comments. Telling me I'm not saved, telling me to bite the Bible, Your demeaning writings aren't worth it. You're out of control of your self and it does not impress me at all. Especially as someone I would want to have a conversation with.
Your on my ignore list. Don't bother to answer because I won't read your comments any longer. Have a nice life.
MB

 

[Van]

A waste to you, perhaps, but to those who read these comments, and are re-directed to the words of scripture ( and not yours or my words ), perhaps not.

That would be accessing something by an effort...belief.
That is not grace, but debt ( Romans 4:4 ) if God is obligated to reward someone for performing the correct set of actions in order to "unlock" His grace and favor upon them.

Read Romans 5:1-2. Scripture, not me, says we access the grace we stand in by faith.

God has mercy and compassion upon whom He wills ( Exodus 33:19, Romans 9:15-16 ), and whom He wills He hardens.

Not at issue. God allows those who He does not harden.

I agree.
Ephesians 1:4-5.

Ephesians 1:4-5 does not say anyone was given to Christ. John 6:37 is the verse we agree on.

I agree.
I also maintain that whatever God does is either allowed by His children, or opposed by unbelievers...both in their hearts and in their actions.
For both sets of people.

Nothing we do allows God to take action. If God says whoever believes into Him will have eternal life, our faith or lack of faith is consistent with God's redemptive plan for believers.

Again, I agree.
John 8:47.

We appear to agree, individuals who are "of My sheep" comprise the fields white for harvest. They are open to the gospel message.

 

[Van]

Again, I agree...
Also, to be open to the Gospel is to be "of My sheep".

A person that does not have "ears to hear" ( Matthew 11:15 ), will not believe God's words, from the heart ( Romans 10:9-10 ).
Them that are perishing think that the preaching of the cross is foolishness...while "us that are saved" do not.
not everyone is open to the Gospel, Van.
Not everyone has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God ( Matthew 13:10 ).

Not at issue, Matthew 13, soil #1 was not open.

It seems that we agree on many things, Van.
As many as were ordained to eternal life, believed.

That is the word order in Acts of the Apostles 13:48.
This agrees with the word order in Psalms 65:4, John 10:26, John 6:39, John 6:64-65, John 17:2, Romans 8:29-30, Ephesians 1:4-5, Ephesians 2:10, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 and several others.

Nonsense

The word your version translate as "ordained" means to agree by mutual consent. None of the avanlance of citations support your view, not one.

God bestows His grace upon someone, and they then respond to it.
The Lord acts, and the target of His work, through the Holy Spirit, then re-acts to it.

Irresistible grace is fiction.

All according to His foreknowledge and Him choosing them to be placed in Christ, before the foundation of the world.

Fiction, Ephesians 1:4 says God chose us in Him not "to be in Him." No need to rewrite scripture, God chose His Redeemer, and therefore chose corporately those His Redeemer would redeem.

Respectfully, it seems to me that again and again, you fail to see the significance of the word order, as presented in Scripture.

You may be right, I go by what the verse says.

Why this is I do not know, but to me, you're missing the details, Van.
Each word counts, and the order that it is written in.

What is written, is written.
As it is, on the page.

A person either believes it, as it is written, or they do not.

Making a general claim without a specific quote is deflection.

 

[Van]

What John Calvin did, is of no concern of mine.

What I'm interested in is what the words say, and how it lays everything out.
I believe the words on the page, as they are laid out, because they are God's words, and not a man's.
My belief is in the words of God, because I know, in my heart, that He would never lie to me.

I trust His words to be true, as every believer in Jesus Christ has the privilege of doing.

This bulletin board defines Calvinism not as what John Calvin wrote, but what the TULIP proclaims. You show a lack of understanding of the words on the written "screen."

Your trust in Calvinism (aka TULIP) is misplaced.

 

[Van]

Your first word is the issue.

Yet another off topic post addressing the poster and not the topic.