Rejection of sinaiticus and Vaticanus? TR and the original autographs

[jbh28]

You should run for politics, you aren't saying anything here. How did they do it before the KJB? Please explain.

Don't dodge the issue like your kjvo friends do. You are the one that is advocating that the Bible, to be purely preserved, has to be in a perfect version. So, how was the Bible preserved before the KJV? It's not a non-answer by me, but you.

Another non-answer that says nothing at all. You make all sorts of vague statements that nobody could possibly understand. Why don't you explain so people can know what you are really saying?

I asked you the question. I'm thinking you are going to dodge it. I say it is the same way he has always done it, just like it was before the KJV. Problem is that before the KJV(in your view), what was this perfect copy? It's your advocation that I'm speaking about.

Of course it was preserved, how could they translate something that didn't exist? However, it was not preserved in one volume, the translators looked at as many texts possible to put it together. I am not the one to explain it to you, but there are many good books on the texts that the KJB had available, and how they decided which was scripture and which was not and how they weeded out error.

Ok, so you admit that the text of Scripture was preserved, yet wasn't preserved perfectly in one volume. Hmmm. Sounds A LOT like what I've said. All the WORDS of the Bible are preserved today. Not perfectly in one volume.

It is obvious that no matter what anyone (especially me) tells you, you have already made your mind up. This is really a big waste of time.

Remember, my position is clear. Yours is non-biblical. yours blows up when I ask you where the Bible was perfectly preserved before the KJV. Then you admit that it wasn't in one volume. Yet when I have that SAME position today, I don't believe in preservation.

You don't get it, and this time it is correct to say you don't understand it. God promised to preserve his word. Now, you either believe that or you don't. I believe God did preserve his word. I can't explain how he did it, yet I believe he did it.

I believe God preserved it. I just don't teach that God preserved it in one volume(something you do teach, yet can't say where it was preserved before the KJV in one volume.)

You on the other hand will not accept anything on faith.

LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR. Why do you slander someone like this?

You want some scholarly answer for everything.

LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR AGAIN!

You trust in man's wisdom.

So do you with the KJV Onlysim!

Well, you are never going to find an answer, because many scholarly men will write books supporting the KJB, and an equal number will write scholarly books against it.

I won't find the answer because you kjv only people's position blows up in your face when I ask.(where was the perfect volume of Scripture before the KJV) So you resort to lying by misrepresenting your opponent(saying that I "will not accept anything on faith" BTW, if I haven't mentioned it again, you are a liar. I never said that and it is simply untrue statement.

I can tell you right now you will never find an answer to this question by studying books written by man.

ANd you won't fine ANYTHING on kjv onlyism except from books by man. Irony at its best!

If you want to spin your wheels and waste your time, that is up to you. But I get the impression that the real problem is that you simply do not believe God preserved his pure word as he promised to do. His promise is not good enough for you, you do not want to live by faith, you want scholarly proof. Good luck on that.

Again, you are a liar. I do believe God has preserved his Word just as He said he would.(I've said that many times, yet you lie and say I don't) I do live by faith and have said that many times (you lie and say I don't) btw, have I misrepresented you? no, because I don't need to. I represent you correctly and even said you being kjvo was not a problem except for bad reasons. Yet you want to make this personal and lie about me. Trust me, I'm not offended when you lie about me.

LET ME REPEAT!
I believe God promised to preserve His words!
I believe God HAS preserved His words!
God preserved his words BEFORE the KJV
God preserved his words AFTER the KJV
I take it by FAITH in what the BIBLE SAYS!
I don't take it by lack of faith in what the Bible does NOT say.
The Bible is preserved today just as it was before the KJV. It isn't preserved in one perfect Genesis - Revelation copy. It wasn't before the KJV and it was still perfectly preserved and it is the same today, perfectly preserved, yet not in one perfect volume of Scripture.

Repent of you sin Winman. You are a liar. I have called you out on this because you lied. Don't cry over it. Man up and admit your error, and I'll forgive you. You attempt to talk down to me with statements like "you don't get it" or you "don't see it." But that is just a smoke screen over you lack of biblical support for a position NOT based on faith.

 

[jbh28]

I think a moderator should close this thread. It's isn't helping anybody out and it's no where close to the original topic. We have slanderous comments being made by certain ones on here and that needs to stop. I just had a wonderful day at Church and this isn't helping at all.

 

[Dr. Bob]

Sadly a bunch of unchristian comments.

At the request of the originator, thread closed.