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freeatlast

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Amy.G said:
No, I can't assume that. However I do believe the parable of the prodigal son teaches that one can belong to God, go astray, and return to Him.
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That teaching is not even about one person or about someone who is saved. So you may believe that the teaching of the prodigal is about a saved person, but you have to reject what it says about him when it says he was lost. The same Greek word for those who are not saved.
 
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Amy.G

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preacher4truth said:
I have been taught how to speak fluent huckle-billy since I moved to the state of MO!!!!!!!

But, I have NOT adopted the aksaynt from deez heer parts!
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If you visit the mountains of TN, you will really find some aksaynt! :laugh: You'ins no whut ah meen?
 
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Amy.G

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freeatlast said:
That teaching is not even about one person or about someone who is saved. So you may believe that the teaching of the prodigal is about a saved person, but you have to reject what it says about him when it says he was lost. The same Greek word for those who are not saved.
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I know there is some disagreement on who the parable is referring to. It could be Israel, or it could be an individual. Either way, the son returned to his father. Unless you believe a person can be saved and lost, saved and lost.....the prodigal was a son before he left his father and was a son when he came home.
 
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freeatlast

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preacher4truth said:
The fellow in the OP wasn't practicing sin.

Also, the idea of "practicing sin" is a conclusive statement based upon exegesis that some hold to. Please elaborate how you've exegetically come to this conclusion with the text itself.
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(3:9) "Is born" is a perfect participle in the Greek text, speaking of the past completed act of regeneration, namely, the impartation of the divine nature (2 Pet. 1:4) or divine life, and the present result, the fact that the person who has been made the recipient of divine life is by nature, and that permanently, a spiritually alive individual. "Commit" is poieō in the present tense which always speaks of continuous action unless the context limits it to punctiliar action, namely, the mere mention of the fact of the action, without the mentioning of details. The translation reads, "Every one who has been born out of God, with the present result that he is a born-one (of God), does not habitually do sin." "His seed" refers to the principle of divine life in the believer. It is this principle of divine life that makes it impossible for a Christian to live habitually in sin, for the divine nature causes the child of God to hate sin and love righteousness, and gives him both the desire and the power to do God's will, as Paul says, "God is the One who is constantly putting forth energy in you, giving you both the desire and power to do His good pleasure"Phil 2:13 —Wuest's Word Studies
 
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freeatlast

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Amy.G said:
I know there is some disagreement on who the parable is referring to. It could be Israel, or it could be an individual. Either way, the son returned to his father. Unless you believe a person can be saved and lost, saved and lost.....the prodigal was a son before he left his father and was a son when he came home.
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It is a parable not an analogy. Israel are the sons and daughters of the Father because they are called by Him. The son was "lost" Israel is lost and one day will be saved when they get tired of eating with the hogs.
 
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freeatlast said:
(3:9) "Is born" is a perfect participle in the Greek text, speaking of the past completed act of regeneration, namely, the impartation of the divine nature (2 Pet. 1:4) or divine life, and the present result, the fact that the person who has been made the recipient of divine life is by nature, and that permanently, a spiritually alive individual. "Commit" is poieō in the present tense which always speaks of continuous action unless the context limits it to punctiliar action, namely, the mere mention of the fact of the action, without the mentioning of details. The translation reads, "Every one who has been born out of God, with the present result that he is a born-one (of God), does not habitually do sin." "His seed" refers to the principle of divine life in the believer. It is this principle of divine life that makes it impossible for a Christian to live habitually in sin, for the divine nature causes the child of God to hate sin and love righteousness, and gives him both the desire and the power to do God's will, as Paul says, "God is the One who is constantly putting forth energy in you, giving you both the desire and power to do His good pleasure"Phil 2:13 —Wuest's Word Studies
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And the habitually doing of sin refers back to what the lost do, not to a believer who sins and practices 1 John 1:8-9 which is written to believers.

I believe you use a broad brush and misapplication of this "practicing sin" on others, and I don't believe you truly grasp this truth. There are other passages to bring in to interpret this correctly. You seem to be too apt to apply "lost" to others who struggle with daily sins.
 
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freeatlast

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preacher4truth said:
And the habitually doing of sin refers back to what the lost do, not to a believer who sins and practices 1 John 1:8-9 which is written to believers.

I believe you use a broad brush and misapplication of this "practicing sin" on others, and I don't believe you truly grasp this truth. There are other passages to bring in to interpret this correctly. You seem to be too apt to apply "lost" to others who struggle with daily sins.
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That is your choice to believe that.
 
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Amy.G

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preacher4truth said:
Jeet yet? :laugh:
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Yup. Twas purdy good.



Hey ya'll! Watch iss.....
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Mexdeaf

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freeatlast said:
Amy, I made no judgment at all on it. I think you are assuming they are saved. I am assuming nothing one way or the other. Our salvation is contingent on today, not tomorrow or yesterday as tomorrow is not ours and yesterday is past and does not prove what is for today. I am simply believing what the Lord says in His word.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not (practice) commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (practice) sin, because he is born of God.
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Wrong- our salvation is not contingent upon us AT ALL- it is contingent upon CHRIST.
 
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freeatlast said:
Salvation cannot be un-done, but also true is;
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not (practice) commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (practice) sin, because he is born of God.
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I know this is your pet verse, but it does not say what you are making it say. I've posted contextually what the verse means and you dismiss it. Your model has salvation by grace through faith and the non practice of sin.
 
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