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Prodigal Son anyone?
...or does that scripture not count?
Depends IF you see him as being a christian , or else apostate Judaism or some other exotic stuff!
I see him as being example of a child of God who decided to wander in the wilderness of sin awhile, and than came back to God!
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Prodigal Son anyone?
...or does that scripture not count?
Apparently not. I tried that earlier in this thread. It was rejected. :tonofbricks:
freeatlast
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Do you have scripture to back that? With your words, you have stripped
the salvation from everyone I have ever known in my entire 59 years of life. And don't just quote one verse out of context. That's what cults do all the time.
I don't buy it.
Well if that applies to everyone you have ever known then you had better change churches.
Jesus said He would never leave us or forsake us. If He never leaves then we cannot get away from Him as He goes where we go. Also since no Christian never practices sin we do nto take Him into the practice of sinning.
freeatlast
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Peter's denial was not a practice. It was a one time thing. He never left the Lord he just sinned a sin.Jesus Himself predicted that Peter and ALL of the Apostles would leave Him,,,
Were they saved?
Both Peter/Judas betrayed/denied the Lord, peter shows that a true Christian will come back to the Lord eventually" godly repentance", while "professing" one will not come back "world sorrow"
freeatlast
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Go back and read my posts.Do you mean this to say that no true Christian sins?
freeatlast
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.Can we not learn a lesson from Israel? How many times did Israel turn it's back on God? Too many to count. And yet God always took them back if they repented and asked forgiveness. And they turned away from God for many years at a time. Remember the 70 years they spent captive in Babylon because they refused to obey the sabbath? Yet God did not abandon them and they were always loved by God. Why is it any different for a Christian?
Israel is a nation not an individual and Israel was lost.
AmyG..., no down to earth logic on their part I suppose.
Depends IF you see him as being a christian , or else apostate Judaism or some other exotic stuff!
Gotcha'. Our Lord ought to be ashamed of himself for deciding to use this specific example is His Word. Especially if His example was referring to an apostate Jew or some other exotic stuff.
Depends IF you see him as being a christian , or else apostate Judaism or some other exotic stuff!
Gotcha'. Our Lord ought to be ashamed of himself for deciding to use this specific example is His Word. Especially if His example was referring to an apostate Jew or some other exotic stuff.
freeatlast
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The prodigal son was lost. Read the passage! :BangHead:Prodigal Son anyone?
...or does that scripture not count?
Luke 15:24
For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
No Christian is dead as we are alive in Christ and no Christian is lost as we are saved.
Also the passage is not about a person. It is about Israel who will one day return to God.
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No Christian needs to return to God as they never leave.
Do you mean this to say that no true Christian sins?
Go back and read my posts.
I have. Yes or no, do you mean to say in your first statement (above) that no true Christian sins? I only ask in the interest of clarity.
freeatlast
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I have. Yes or no, do you mean to say in your first statement (above) that no true Christian sins? I only ask in the interest of clarity.
Go back and Read my posts.
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Read my posts.
Hmm... You make a statement. I ask an honest yes/no question to better understand what you are saying. You sidestep with "Read my posts". Generally, people who are making a serious attempt to put forth their views are willing to explain them if a question is asked.
I don't think you are serious. That or you don't know what you're talking about.
And yes, it was a serious, honest question.
freeatlast
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.Hmm... You make a statement. I ask an honest yes/no question to better understand what you are saying. You sidestep with "Read my posts". Generally, people who are making a serious attempt to put forth their views are willing to explain them if a question is asked.
I don't think you are serious. That or you don't know what you're talking about.
I don't think you are serious if you do nto want to read what I already wrote.
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I don't think you are serious if you do nto want to read what I already wrote.
I have. At times I am curious and ask for further explanation, yet you refuse to oblige. Apparently, the same will hold true in this case as well. I regret that.
A yes or no answer would have helped.
Those who wish to teach should be willing to explain their points.
freeatlast
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I have. At times I am curious and ask for further explanation, yet you refuse to oblige. Apparently, the same will hold true in this case as well. I regret that.
A yes or no answer would have helped.
Those who wish to teach should be willing to explain their points.
If I tell you again you still will not believe. Refer to my posts.
Peter's denial was not a practice. It was a one time thing. He never left the Lord he just sinned a sin.
I believe it WAS a practice. It was not a one time thing but a three time thing.
I believe it WAS a practice. It was not a one time thing but a three time thing.
Again, we see the difficulty in determining what it means to "practice" sin.
I don't think anyone here is saying they disagree with the oft-quoted verse. We simply cannot agree on what exactly "practice sin" means. I think we all have also agreed that it does not mean a christian "cannot sin." (which is a quite difficult conclusion to come to since the text actually says "cannot sin." ...but the rest of scripture demands it.)
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Jesus Himself predicted that Peter and ALL of the Apostles would leave Him,,,
Were they saved?
Both Peter/Judas betrayed/denied the Lord, peter shows that a true Christian will come back to the Lord eventually" godly repentance", while "professing" one will not come back "world sorrow"
Remember, when Peter denied Jesus thrice, this was prior to him having the indwelling of the Spirit. The prophecy was fulfilled when Jesus spoke, "Smite the Shepherd, and the sheep will scatter"(paraphrasing this).
Now, after Peter was filled with the Spirit, look at how bold he became. He wouldn't deny Jesus for anything, and was even crucified upside down(according to history), because he felt unworthy to be crucified the same way His Lord and Saviour was.
freeatlast
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I believe it WAS a practice. It was not a one time thing but a three time thing.
That is your choice. Many people who claim to be Christians do not believe the bible but instead have their own doctrine.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (practice) sin, because he is born of God.
freeatlast
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Again, we see the difficulty in determining what it means to "practice" sin.
I don't think anyone here is saying they disagree with the oft-quoted verse. We simply cannot agree on what exactly "practice sin" means. I think we all have also agreed that it does not mean a christian "cannot sin." (which is a quite difficult conclusion to come to since the text actually says "cannot sin." ...but the rest of scripture demands it.)
There is no difficulty just rejection of God's word for personal beliefs.
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