Remaining Roman Catholic

[Wesley Briggman]

This isn’t doctrine

By definition, it is the doctrine of the RCC.

the definition of doctrine

DOCTRINE:

1 particular principle, position, or policy taught or advocated, as of

a religion or government:Catholic doctrines; the Monroe Doctrine.

2 something that is taught; teachings collectively:religious doctrine.

3 a body or system of teachings relating to a particular subject:

the doctrine of the Catholic Church.

 

[steaver]

That would be a biblical stance correct?

That would be false. There is no commission given to establish doctrine found anywhere in Luke 10. The commission was given to a specific seventy appointed by the Lord (vs 1). The command was specific,
Luk 10:5
And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house.
Luk 10:6
And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again.
Luk 10:7
And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.

Power was given to these seventy to heal the sick for the household which received them in peace.
Luk 10:9
And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

There is no command to make up doctrines or even interpret things Jesus had to say. They were to go before Jesus into cities and towns, find where "the son of peace be", "heal the sick that are therein", say to them "The Kingdom of God is come nigh unto you".

And now we know how to properly apply......

Luk 10:16
He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
Luk 10:17
And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Well, it wouldn’t be my explanation of the Trinity as I am certainly not smart enough to develop that myself from scripture or logic. Simply put, I accept the tradition handed down and supported by scripture ; one God, Three Eternal Persons; Father,Son,and Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit preceding from the Father and the Son. How does this work? I cannot be certain, and I don’t pretend to know.

What is purpose of asking? Is the implication that I saying that non-Catholics are incapable of accepting theological mysteries as truth? Certainly not! I am merry saying that it is my perception that Catholics are more comfortable accepting certain truths as truths without requiring a detailed blueprint of how it works.

I was raised not to guess, rather I was taught to know what was fact prior to opening up. From my prospective, perceiving anything is tad amount to not being sure... or as momma said you either think you know something or ya know it.... which is it boy? BTW, she was a real Roman Catholic (with ancestors from Rome and Salerno Italy).

As to my comment about the Trinity, no human being I’ve ever met can explain that but it is an accepted theological mystery, that I agree with. Kunundrums can and do happen and we all attest to it . Sounds mystical don’t it!

 

[Vincent1]

All babies ae born witrh sin natures, affected by Fall of Adam, but the Lord Himself decides to save them directrly, by doing for them what they could not do, aka, have faith in Christ!

Again, a baby cannot make a profession of faith. I believe this is why you would be against pedobaptism. So how then, in your theology, is the child saved?

And if infants are exempt from making such a profession in order to be saved, at what point does the profession become a requirement?

 

[Rebel1]

No, rather those who believe contary to what the Bible teaches!

But the point is that every denomination believes every other denomination does that. That is the reason for denominations.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

That would be false. There is no commission given to establish doctrine found anywhere in Luke 10. The commission was given to a specific seventy appointed by the Lord (vs 1). The command was specific,
Luk 10:5
And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house.
Luk 10:6
And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again.
Luk 10:7
And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.

Power was given to these seventy to heal the sick for the household which received them in peace.
Luk 10:9
And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

There is no command to make up doctrines or even interpret things Jesus had to say. They were to go before Jesus into cities and towns, find where "the son of peace be", "heal the sick that are therein", say to them "The Kingdom of God is come nigh unto you".

And now we know how to properly apply......

Luk 10:16
He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
Luk 10:17
And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.

I said biblical stance... I said nothing about establishing doctrine.

 

[Vincent1]

I was raised not to guess, rather I was taught to know what was fact prior to opening up. From my prospective, perceiving anything is tad amount to not being sure... or as momma said you either think you know something or ya know it.... which is it boy? BTW, she was a real Roman Catholic (with ancestors from Rome and Salerno Italy).

As to my comment about the Trinity, no human being I’ve ever met can explain that but it is an accepted theological mystery, that I agree with. Kunundrums can and do happen and we all attest to it . Sounds mystical don’t it!

So you believe the Trinity but admit that you can’t explain it. Sounds like you and I are in the same boat. Sounds like having faith. And this doesn’t sound like it squares with the bolder portion quoted.

And I use the term perceive because making definitive statements about a person or people I don’t personally know is unwise and could be uncharitable. I sense that you are fair-minded and wouldn’t want to paint you as someone so rigid in their previously developed beliefs that they wouldn’t follow the Lord where they were being called.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

By definition, it is the doctrine of the RCC.

the definition of doctrine

DOCTRINE:

1 particular principle, position, or policy taught or advocated, as of

a religion or government:Catholic doctrines; the Monroe Doctrine.

2 something that is taught; teachings collectively:religious doctrine.

3 a body or system of teachings relating to a particular subject:

the doctrine of the Catholic Church.

Honestly Wes, your story isn’t even proven to be true... so how can you promote it as doctrine.

As a side note though just answer me this, can a practicing Catholic be saved?

 

[steaver]

I said biblical stance... I said nothing about establishing doctrine.

Yes, biblical stance Catholics use to support their doctrine that Jesus gave them the authority to interpret scripture. This is false. You can see Luke 10 has nothing to do with disciples deciding doctrines. Correct? You see this right?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

So you believe the Trinity but admit that you can’t explain it. Sounds like you and I are in the same boat. Sounds like having faith. And this doesn’t sound like it squares with the bolder portion quoted.

And I use the term perceive because making definitive statements about a person or people I don’t personally know is unwise and could be uncharitable. I sense that you are fair-minded and wouldn’t want to paint you as someone so rigid in their previously developed beliefs that they wouldn’t follow the Lord where they were being called.

The Trinity is one subject no human being understands so we all have to admit ignorance. It is all faith and it doesn’t square with anything human, but then that rule was meant to be worldly not mysterious.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes, biblical stance Catholics use to support their doctrine that Jesus gave them the authority to interpret scripture. This is false. You can see Luke 10 has nothing to do with disciples deciding doctrines. Correct? You see this right?

Just so you know, I am not here to defend Catholic Doctrines. I have my own conserns with their approach, posturing, structures of worship etc.

But to be fair, they do teach Christ and Him crucified... and I further believe that there are people in that church who are saved.... just as there are people in other Eucharistic/ Sacramental churches (Lutherans, Methodist, Anglican, Presbyterian, Reformed) who are saved —But are in error.

I can work with that Steve... I can look for some level of commonality but if I insult them, if I disown them as being
A lesser being & not being worthy of the Kingdom, then I’ve made enemies.

 

[Rebel1]

Just so you know, I am not here to defend Catholic Doctrines. I have my own conserning with their approach, posturing, structures of worship etc.

But to be fair, they do teach Christ and Him crucified... and I further believe that there are people in that church who are saved.... just as there are people in other Eucharistic/ Sacramental churches (Lutherans, Methodist, Anglican, Presbyterian, Reformed) who are saved —But are in error.

I can work with that Steve... I can look for some level of commonality but if I insult them, if I disown them as being
A lesser being & not being worthy of the Kingdom, then I’ve made enemies.

That is a good post. I don't think anybody is 100% correct, or has all he truth. If they did, that's the church I would join.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Honestly Wes, your story isn’t even proven to be true... so how can you promote it as doctrine.

As a side note though just answer me this, can a practicing Catholic be saved?

What do you consider to be "your story"?

Those that God has chosen will be with Him in glory. My question to a Catholic who professes to be born-again would be: Why do you identify with the heretical RCC? I was raised in the heretical Lutheran church and would ask myself the same question if I still identified with it.

Please share with this board what you consider to be my story.

Oh, and include what source(s) you require to convince you that what I am sharing is true.

 

[atpollard]

But the point is that every denomination believes every other denomination does that. That is the reason for denominations.

Technically, that is a half truth. Some “denominations” are different because they originated in different countries and spoke different languages, so they maintained a separate church hierarchy when they came to North America. They have virtually no doctrinal disagreements. Some of the vast number of denominations reported comes from how data is reported. Every church that adheres to “local governance” and claims its local church is independent (even if a voluntary member of something like the Southern Baptist Coalition, for example) is counted as a distinct denomination of one church.

 

[Rebel1]

Technically, that is a half truth. Some “denominations” are different because they originated in different countries and spoke different languages, so they maintained a separate church hierarchy when they came to North America. They have virtually no doctrinal disagreements. Some of the vast number of denominations reported comes from how data is reported. Every church that adheres to “local governance” and claims its local church is independent (even if a voluntary member of something like the Southern Baptist Coalition, for example) is counted as a distinct denomination of one church.

Well, I meant denominations in a broad sense. Maybe a better designation wo0uld be faith groups or families.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

What do you consider to be "your story"?

Those that God has chosen will be with Him in glory. My question to a Catholic who professes to be born-again would be: Why do you identify with the heretical RCC? I was raised in the heretical Lutheran church and would ask myself the same question if I still identified with it.

Please share with this board what you consider to be my story.

Oh, and include what source(s) you require to convince you that what I am sharing is true.

OK... the syringe baby baptism story. 2) find something written in Catholic archives supporting that type of medical procedure used to baptize an embryo

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

My question to a Catholic who professes to be born-again would be: Why do you identify with the heretical RCC? I was raised in the heretical Lutheran church and would ask myself the same question if I still identified with it.

BTW when I came out of the RCC, I visited a Lutheran Church, one that was considered themselves conservative, and when I met with two of their deacons. They told me they consider the Baptists to all be heretical.

 

[Rebel1]

BTW when I came out of the RCC, I visited a Lutheran Church, one that was considered themselves conservative, and when I met with two of their deacons. They told me they consider the Baptists to all be heretical.

Was it Missouri Synod Lutherans?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Was it Missouri Synod Lutherans?

no... WELS

 

[Walter]

What do you consider to be "your story"?

Those that God has chosen will be with Him in glory. My question to a Catholic who professes to be born-again would be: Why do you identify with the heretical RCC? I was raised in the heretical Lutheran church and would ask myself the same question if I still identified with it.

Please share with this board what you consider to be my story.

Years ago I was a Baptist. I suspect I believed closely to what yo

BTW when I came out of the RCC, I visited a Lutheran Church, one that was considered themselves conservative, and when I met with two of their deacons. They told me they consider the Baptists to all be heretical.

I'm going to hazard a guess that you visited a WELS church? They even consider the LCMS heretical.