Reparations for blacks

Daughter & Mr. Curtis,

What was it about my post, that you saw offensive?

Except for maybe I shouldn't have made my second statement sound "all inclusive". I probably should have said "most" or "a lot"

 

Daughter & Mr. Curtis,

What was it about my post, that you saw offensive?

Except for maybe I shouldn't have made my second statement sound "all inclusive". I probably should have said "most" or "a lot"</font>[/QUOTE]As Mr Curtis said, the implication that Black people as a whole "always want something for nothing" and the implication that slavery was "nothing". Also "maybe" even if a living slave came forth!

 

Oh, yes. That would've been much better.

Mike

 

Oh, yes. That would've been much better.

Mike</font>[/QUOTE]Thanks, I thought it would!

 

I'm not sure how this justifies taking money from one group who were never slave owners and, in many cases, whose ancestors may have been anti-slavery to pay off another group who were never slaves and whose ancestors, in some cases, may have been active participants of the slave trade. My view, as I stated, is strictly to give reparations strictly to those who can prove lineage to a person who was a slate at the time of the emancipation proclamation.

I don't know of one conservative, libertarian or classical liberalist philosopher who ever supported redistribution of wealth. I'm not advocating redistribution of wealth. I advocating payment of reparations.

It's dead wrong to take money away from one group who had nothing to do with the slave trade to give to another group who were never slaves just to assuage your white guilt.
First of all, I have no white guilt. I have a moral responsibility. It's not about white/black. It's about paying a long overdue debt. As far as your agrument that it's wrong to take money from one group and give it to another, it was okay with the interred Japanese, even though most americans had nothing to do with, and often did not support, interment.

I had nothing to do with internment either but the big difference here is that many of those interned were still alive when these payouts were made. Yes, and many of the weren't. In those cases, reparations went to their decendents.

In the case of reparations for slavery, the offended parties are all dead. But the decendents of the offended parties aren't.

So are those who committed the attrocities against them. The atrocity of slavery was instituted by the government. It's still here.

[ September 06, 2002, 07:52 PM: Message edited by: Johnv ]

 

what about the blacks in Africa who sold blacks from Africa into slavery It's not a race issue. It doesn't matter of the slaves came here by way of white merchants or black merchants.

It will be Black Americans paying, Chinese Americans paying, Arab Americans paying, Japanese Americans paying, Hispanic Americans, all the different ethnic groups will be paying as taxpayers. As it was with reparations to the Japanese.

women weren't allowed the right to vote in America for how many years? Perhaps all descendants of women (especially female descendants) should get some sort of punitive reparations Except that the Constitution did not allow people to own women as property, as was the case with slaves.

the implication that Black people as a whole "always want something for nothing" and the implication that slavery was "nothing" I find that amusing, considering that here in Southern California, the largest ethnic group on welfare is white, while whites make up less than 1/2 of the total polulation.

[ September 06, 2002, 07:53 PM: Message edited by: Johnv ]

 

johnv, for completeness, I am posting my entire quote, not just the part of the sentence you focused on:

"This whole reparations idea is absurd. It's just another case of somebody wanting something for nothing, and lawyers standing in line to reap the bounty. What do they get 1/3? Or is it more? "

My point was, it was probably lawyers that brought up the whole issue to begin with if the whole truth be known (including what went on behind the scenes that the public will never be privy to).

Lawyers will get the largest share of the bounty. Just as they did with the tobacco industry or any major lawsuit gleanings. Those are the people who stand the most to gain, those are the ones who are wanting something for nothing. GREED.

The people who are really entitled to get anything at all are dead.

 

Disappointed that I said what? The truth!

 

The bottom line is that what you're talking about is taking money away from people who are guilty of nothing to give to people who were never victimized by slavery.

That's wrong.

Actually, most lib's who jump on the reparations bandwagon are doing it for exactly this reason.

How is it a moral responsibility to do something that is patently immoral?

As has been explained to you, reparations to Japanese-Americans are a completely different issue becuase most of the victims were still alive at the time that reparations were made.

And that was wrong, too.

What kind of logic says that just because we did something before that was wrong, it's OK to do the same wrong thing the next time?

Slavery was not "instituted" by the government because the United States did not exsist when slavery was "instituted"

If you want to make the case that individual states allowed slavery, that's something altogether different.

In that case, it should be argued that reparations should come from those individual states.

[ September 07, 2002, 10:40 AM: Message edited by: Smoke_Eater ]

 

You all have it wrong!

If they want it so bad, then go to the one who pronounced slavery for them in the first place!

" G O D ! "

Genesis 9:24-27

[ September 07, 2002, 06:32 PM: Message edited by: Justified ]

 

If reparations are called for, and then we need to turn the US back over to the Native American's, or buy it from them today.

We each then need to figure out what country allowed our ancestors to go to America and ask them for money to get us back into that country and set us up with a "like" living since it was that country's fault for allowing anyone to leave. I want a castle in England and $500k a year from Ireland. Until my original countries give me compensation, I'm not giving up anything.

And while we are at it. The Arab Nations who allowed the Tower thing to happen owes my company about 1/2 million in lost revenue. Where do I apply for that? The IRS hit us for $12,000 in penalties for late paying after the towers, how do I get that back from the US Government.

I demand my reparations!!!

Wait a minute, I'm an American, its free enterprise, I get to keep what I can keep and I have to give up what I can't hold on to. I'm given opportunity to earn it back some other way unless I'm a lazy SOB that is waiting for the Government to give me a handout of someone else’s money. I believe that would be Communism.

Forget the reparations, the Government has already given them out to everyone, its called "opportunity."

 

Justified, you are a 100% full blooded BIGOT. The way you expressed yourself here is disgusting. Archie Bunker looks like an angel next to those unchristian remarks.

By the way, God didn't create slavery, he just doesn't butt into mankinds stupidity, he is allowing you to express yourself here like an Jack mule isn't he?

 

OH! MY! MY! posty is a little toasty, whose gotten to be a little testy!

By the way. I editted my views later in this thread!

And why are you upset with God about what he said? I just brought out the Scripture verses.

Aren't we to consider the "WHOLE COUNCIL OF GOD?"?

God said it!
I believe it!
That settles it!

 

You edited your views in the posts, not in your heart. That will most likely take a long time if ever from your normal attitude on the board. You're not fooling anybody here. I will pray for you.

 

This is wrong, very, very wrong!
Neither Ham nor Canaan and the Canaanites were black. This passage cannot be used as a basis for racist attitudes.

 

When Justified makes racist comments towards Arabs, no one here cares, but it's an outrage when the bigotry is directed to Blacks. Justified's racism has been evident for sometime, but perhaps this shows a more selective racism amongst certain others.

With regards to reparations, the issue is patently ridiculous, though I dislike some of the company I keep in my side of this issue.

To put it simply, reparations creates a slippery slope to which there is no clear distinction to be made. As has been mentioned, Blacks and Native Americans were severely mistreated in this nation. But so too were Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, Irish, Eastern Europeans, Italians, Arabs, etc. etc. Does racism exist today? A mere glance of this thread shows that it does. Am I responsible for such racism? No. I don't nor have I ever owned slaves or oppressed a minority. My parents never owned slaves. My grandparents never owned slaves. My great-grandparents never owned slaves. My great-great-grandparents never owned slaves. To the best of my knowledge (and as far back as we can trace), no one in my family owned slaves. I have no doubt that there are unsavory people in my family history. In fact, I know there are. Every family (regardless of race) has such individuals. The sins of the father should not be held against the son. I can't control what my ancestors may or may not have done. No one can.

If nothing else, reparations are a red herring to address real concerns. Slavery is no longer a pressing social matter in America. There are issues within the minority community that need to be addressed no doubt. Issues of crime, poor education, and poverty (3 interconnected issues) plague our inner cities. Instead of focusing on what our great-grandparents may or may not have done, we should work on improving the future.

[ September 08, 2002, 05:33 AM: Message edited by: Candide ]

 

You edited your views in the posts, not in your heart. That will most likely take a long time if ever from your normal attitude on the board. You're not fooling anybody here. I will pray for you.</font>[/QUOTE]And now you are playing GOD? You know what's in my heart!

I wil not defend my views and especially to the likes of you, who promote murder and false doctrines.

[ September 08, 2002, 09:14 AM: Message edited by: Justified ]

 

Justified is either a troll or a rather sick little guy. In either case, the best thing to do is to just ignore him.

 

I was wondering when you were going to show up!