Repenting of sin-Once saved always saved

[StraightAndNarrow]

Originally posted by Frogman:
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People like OSAS because it means they don't have live an authenic life. They can be "carnal Christians," Well, I'll give you a clue. There isn't any such thing as a carnal Christian, someone who talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk. Yes, I'll argue all day against a false religion.

Folks, we all (myself included) need to try and discontinue posts like this one, ok?

If you have an inclination to post something like this, please don't, from this time forward when a post like this is seen I will delete it asap, OSAS, or OSCBLA or whatever.

Bro. Dallas

</font>[/QUOTE]I have no idea where you're coming from. I'm simply stating that OSAS makes people feel comfortable in their sin. There is no personal attack. It's simply an observation.

 

[buckster75]

is not the teaching that one can fall from grace a crutch? it is like you can not trust yourself to do what is right unless you have something to lose. sounds like law and punishment to me. I'll take grace and mercy instead.

 

[HankD]

OK, I'm going to quote a quote which someone else quoted and didn't name

There isn't any such thing as a carnal Christian

On the contrary, Paul calls the Corinthian Christians "carnal".

1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

Basically when we act according to the flesh then we are carnal.

When we snap at our spouse.
When we do 26 MPH in a 25 MPH zone.
When we eat more calories than our bodies require.
When we do not pray without ceasing.
When we perpetuate strife.
etc, etc, etc.

HankD

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by Craigbythesea:
Stop posting about my relationship with Christ and my knowledge of Church history, etc. This thread is not about my relationship with Christ or my knowledge of this or that, this thread is about the doctrines of eternal security and conditional security. What does the Bible have to say about these doctrines and what evidence do we have that our interpretation is the correct interpretation?

Ever since this post of Frogman you have been acting overly sensitive about your relationship with Christ, and believe that Frogman is attacking when such is not the case.

Originally posted by Frogman:
Dear CraigbytheSea,
You have obviously not read church history.

It is founded upon Scripture. Scripture says by the very mouth of the Lamb of God that we are given eternal life.

If it is life, that is one thing, if it is said to be eternal life, then that is another.

Christ said He gives us eternal life, not the writings of men in favor of or against. This is the word of Christ.

How can you deny His word? How can you deny eternal as being simply what it says it is?

Have a look at those conditional statements that apparently make you draw back in fear and see their timely application. It would be a blessing of a calming Sea and Rest for you.

May God Bless,
Bro. Dallas

That is not an attack against you; it is a rebuttal against your position.
"How can you deny his Word," that is in reference to the teaching of OSAS, and the meaning of eternal, when it means eternal and not temporary? The questions seem to obvious. They are asked in zeal, yes; but also in sincerity.
To go and post with this martyr complex of yours does your position no good. Take a dose of your own medicine and address the topic with Scripture. This is a debate forum, not a complaint forum.
DHK

 

[Craigbythesea]

It appears to me that Frogman wants to introduce into our discussion the doctrine of the preservation of the saints. Others may wish to introduce into our discussion the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints. Both of these doctrines are highly complex and can scarcely be discussed intelligently on a message board unless all of the participants have a considerable amount of knowledge of both the Bible and its theology and a thorough knowledge of ancient Greek and its development up through the time of Koine Greek. Therefore I am now taking my leave of this thread, but before I go I wish to thank those who have participated in our discussions. May our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ richly bless you and your families.

 

[StraightAndNarrow]

Thank you for your contribution in the face of the usual adversity that accompanies this topic.

 

[Frogman]

Originally posted by StraightAndNarrow:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Frogman:
CraigbytheSea,
Nothing I have written is a personal attack upon you.

If you think otherwise contact the fellow moderators or an administrator of this forum and this board. I will abide by their collective decision.

Still, all the formal education in the world, all the finest exegesis in man's ability cannot alter the fact that Christ said He gives to US both ETERNAL LIFE. And further that His Father is greater than any man and none can pluck any of His out of His Father's Hand.

If you choose to remain in your bondage of fear, that is your choice.

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Joh 8:36 (KJV) If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Now, if you wish report my post to the moderators.

Bro. Dallas Eaton

</font>[/QUOTE]Please read all the scripture that both Craig and I have posted which refute your stance. You might be a moderator but you can't dictate what I can and can not believe based on my own study of the Bible and prayer. Perpetrators of OSAS are leading a lot of people down the path to perdition. But, they FEEL REAL GOOD ON THE WAY. </font>[/QUOTE]And this from someone who has sent me at least five post alerts???

I really don't care what you believe or don't believe because it isn't what you believe that granted you eternal life. It is what you believe that grants you knowledge of the peace of God through the reconciliation you have in Christ.

Whether you believe that or not He cannot deny Himself.

If His Spirit is in you, you are His. If His Spirit is not in you, you are none of His (myself included).

Moderator or not, I have no interest in dictating anything regarding your belief. That is the problem with you and those who believe like you, no one can be saved except they line up with you; I read the Bible for myself, I need no Bible scholar to tell me what it says, No historical church interpretation, no insecure believer to tell me what is and is not. No special Greek expositor, Grammarian or logistician. The imputation of the Righteousness of God through Christ is by the Sound of His voice and no man's.

Bro. Dallas

 

[RightFromWrong]

Your right Frogman.... I mentioned that before too in one of my post.

These guys Straightandnarrow and Craigbythesea still haven't explained what these words in the bible mean to them. maybe Craig can gives us the " GREEK " meaning. If these WORDS and what they mean do not prove assurance of Salvation I do not what else can !

NOTHING

ETERNAL LIFE

PREDESTINED

SECURITY

ASSURANCE

SALVATION

FORGIVENESS

SAVED

ADOPTION

JOINT HEIRS

REDEMPTION

JUSTIFIED

GLORIFIED

SEALED

GRACE

MERCY

SANCTIFIED
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After looking up all those words what is the conclusion of what Christ did for me ?

He chose me before the foundation of the world
NOT ME

He redemmed me from Hell
NOT ME

He chose me to be adopted into his family
NOT ME

He forgave me of all my sins forever
NOT BASED ON ME


He gave me life everlasting
NOT ME

He sanctified me by the shedding of his blood
NOT MINE

He sealed me with his stamp of approval ( Holy Spirit )
NOT MINE

He glorified me by his RIGHTEOUSNESS
NOT MY OWN

He assured me that he is forever faithful, true & is not a liar
I AM NOT TO BE TRUSTED BUT HE IS

He secured me with the Holy Spirit
NOT MY WILL OR FLESH

He Justified me through his sacrifice into a right relationship with God
JUST AS IF I HAD NEVER SINNED

And so on and so on

The only thing we are responsible for is to respond to God both in receiving Christ and after in yielding to his will. That is our responsiblity.
Gods resonsibilty is to remain True and Faithful
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[Frogman]

The Doctrines of Grace, which include the Eternal security (better stated as Eternal Surity because Christ is our Surity and not ourselves) are a very humbling set of doctrines. They teach man that he is but dust, that he cannot save, keep nor insure his salvation, neither in time or eternity.

These doctrines are much more humbling than thinking that one could walk away because they teach us that we are to live a godly life because of our calling, yet they teach us that we are unable to do that except we die to ourselves and live to God through Christ.

Whether or not you believe the doctrines of Grace has nothing to do with whether you are a regenerated elect child of God. Belief of the Gospel message brings to light the life and immortality of the Son of God indwelling in you through regeneration. That Spirit works out from you that life that has been created new in the inward man, all the while the outward man will stumble, run, fall, rebel, and make grievous war with that Spirit, but because you are His you cannot be 'lost'. He is unchangeable, he is Eternal, He is spotless, He alone possesses the Righteousness of God and in Him alone is declared that Righteousness that exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisees.

And all this peace and understanding is available to whosoever will call upon him, with our without a ph.d; an understanding of the original languages, usage, grammar, or any other degree or lack of degree of education. Why? Because God speaks the simplest most common language that all who Hear His call know and follow.

May God Bless,
Bro. Dallas

 

[RightFromWrong]

I honestly believe the teaching that one can lose his salvation either by living in sin or walking away. Is a SCARE TATIC used by PREACHERS to keep their members in line and paying monies to the church. Why else would this false twisted teaching be so prevalent ?

Especially when numbers are so important !

Just my honest humble opinion

 

[faithtrustbelief]

Originally posted by RightFromWrong:
I honestly believe the teaching that one can lose his salvation either by living in sin or walking away. Is a SCARE TATIC used by PREACHERS to keep their members in line and paying monies to the church. Why else would this false twisted teaching be so prevalent ?

Especially when numbers are so important !

Just my honest humble opinion

AMEN BROTHER! Finally we agree on something

 

[StraightAndNarrow]

Originally posted by RightFromWrong:
I honestly believe the teaching that one can lose his salvation either by living in sin or walking away. Is a SCARE TATIC used by PREACHERS to keep their members in line and paying monies to the church. Why else would this false twisted teaching be so prevalent ?

Especially when numbers are so important !

Just my honest humble opinion

Actually, I've NEVER heard it preached and I've been a member of SBC and ABC churches and attended independent Baptist churches and churches of other denominations for 50 years. It's a message that is absolutely vital to get out because so many Christians feel comfortable with their OSAS beliefs and live exactly like their unsaved neighbors.

 

[RightFromWrong]

StraightAndNarrow I don't think you are going to hear it ( Losing your Salvation ) preached in those churches since they do not believe you can lose your salvation. And they may be a bit light on preaching on sin.
Which may be the MAIN reason many Christians may " be comfortable and live like their unsaved neighbors " Not because of the teaching OSAS but because being accountable to ones sin and having a RIGHT RELATIONSHIP with God isn't being preached in most churches.

Churches TODAY are making people " FEEL " good, they are having their ears tickled, they are preaching on TOPICS not through the Bible. They don't want members to leave they need the numbers and finances.

The main problem with your belief, that you CAN lose your savation is very DISTRUCTIVE. You can NEVER have any security in your walk with the Lord, you are like a ship being tossed to and fro by the waves. You are like a house built on sinking sand. The Devil is constantly playing with your mind and emotions. You cannot witness effectively to others since you have NO REAL HOPE OF ETERNITY. You cannot experence the LOVE and forgiveness of God seeing him only as an mean father who is out to get you when you blow it. You never know how much sin is enough for God to reject you, you feel if you walk away he may not take you back.

No the truth is SATAN has lied to people like you and he has you RIGHT where he wants you living in FEAR DOUBT, So you will be no use to the Kingdom of God !

 

[Frogman]

RightFromWrong and Everyone else,
Someone tell me who began the false teaching that an eternal act of God could be undone?

Do Baptists practice church discipline? What are the objectives of church discipline?

Do any other denominations practice discipline? What are the objects of their discipline?

What is discipline when it is called excommunication ?

What does excommunication mean?

Bro. Dallas

 

[RightFromWrong]

Hey Frogman how about making this a new post I have written on this subject beofre. I wouldn't mind answering it on a NEW TOPIC post

Although I am pretty busy till tonight.

 

[Pipedude]

Originally posted by Frogman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Pipedude:
Hey: when the "pants on women" thread reached twenty pages, C4K closed it.

Does this thread have eternal life or somethin'?

First question, I don't think there is a page limit rule on this forum, was that thread on this forum?</font>[/QUOTE]Here's the post where C4K mentioned the 20 page limit just before he administered it. Euthanasia, I believe it's called.

Or maybe the thread just backslid and is out of fellowship. Either way, it's gone.

 

[DHK]

I believe this thread has run its course.
Feel free to start a new one if you so desire.
DHK