Replacing Western Civilization

[Dr. Bob]

Mioque may have some insights, but I just heard that by 2030 50% of all of The Netherlands will be Islamic and Eastern culture.

By 2050 it will cross 50% in much of Western Europe (France, Germany) because of the unlimited immigration and high birth rates.

Western Civilization can be overcome with Eastern Civilization within our generation.

The Balkans are just the tip of the iceberg as the foundation of Western Civilization crumble under a very subtle onslaught of Islam.

Thoughts?

 

[timothy 1769]

Materialism will corrupt them, just like it corrupted us. Just wait a little bit, their religion will liberalize and the birth rate will come down, just give the mass media and western riches a little time to do their work.

Just IMO.

 

[Roy]

Originally posted by timothy 1769:
Materialism will corrupt them, just like it corrupted us. Just wait a little bit, their religion will liberalize and the birth rate will come down, just give the mass media and western riches a little time to do their work.

Just IMO.

The riches will be hoarded by war lords and religious leaders. The populace will be at their mercy.

Pat Buchanan's latest book, "The Death of the West," addresses some of the issues which Dr. Bob mentioned.

Roy

 

[mioque]

Bob
"Mioque may have some insights, but"
And what has this statement to do with it's follow up?

" I just heard that by 2030 50% of all of The Netherlands will be Islamic and Eastern culture."
The Dutch census bureau has the number of moslims in the Netherlands around 2030 pegged on 3 or 4 million. Current population overhere is already 16 million+ . I'd say you heard wrong.

timothy
"Materialism will corrupt them, just like it corrupted us."
Distinctly possible.

Roy
"The riches will be hoarded by war lords and religious leaders. The populace will be at their mercy."
I'd say that's not likely in a european context, what is far more likely is that decadence won't stop a large number of islamic malcontents from being vicious terorists.
The folks responsible for 9/11 were pretty much from wealthy backgrounds very familiar with the luxuries of western civilization.

 

[Tim]

Perhaps radical Islam is actually in its death throes--ready to destroy itself within the next twenty years.

 

[mioque]

I hope so.

 

[Dr. Bob]

Mioque, only used your name since you hail from the land that was used as the focal point of that discussion. Thought YOU would have clearer pix (which you shared, thank you) rather than the slanted view.

Think the extimate of 50% was because so many of the Islamic millions in the Netherlands are youth under 18 now . . and of course they project them growing up and breeding at the same rate. The historic European population is vastly OVER 18 and not high birth rate.

It may be more accurate than we think.

 

[Circuitrider]

Where is Charles Martel when we need him?

 

[mioque]

"Mioque, only used your name since you hail from the land that was used as the focal point of that discussion."
I apologize.
Sigh... I'm much to paranoid for my own good at times.

In the most extreme possible future suggested by the CBS (=Dutch census bureau) the population will have shrunk to 15 million in 2030. But in that case the Moslim population will be below the 3 million mark. Also in that case the economy of Europe will have weakened to the point that there is no way that Europe can be a threat to the USA except as yet another breeding ground for terrorists. However the disappearance of most western civilisation outside North-America will cause significant if subtle problems for the US.

"Where is Charles Martel when we need him?"
I suspect, he wouldn't be of much use in this case. Either a good integration of the moslim population into western decadence, or a mass conversion to a form of Christianity that favors large families (say orthodox Catholicism, or conservative Mennonite baptism) would be better.