Republican Recall

[LeBuick]

Wasn't this the guy who ran against frozen money Jefferson? I think they're regretting voting in a Republican and now are asking for a recall. Can they do this?

http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=9867668&nav=menu209_1

Republican faces recall effort for stimulus vote

NEW ORLEANS -- Rep. Anh "Joseph" Cao (Gow), the Vietnamese Republican representing an overwhelmingly black and Democratic New Orleans congressional district, is the subject of a recall petition effort by critics of his vote against President Barack Obama's economic stimulus package.

Cao aide Murray Nelson questions whether a sitting congressman can legally be recalled by voter petition. He says there's no provision for it in the U.S. Constitution.

Under any circumstances, recalling a Louisiana elected is difficult. The Secretary of State's Office says Cao opponents must gather signatures from more than 101,000 district voters in 180 days to force an election.

Nelson says Cao voted against the stimulus because it is costly and creates fewer jobs in his district than any other congressional district.

Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

 

[rbell]

Wasn't this the guy who ran against frozen money Jefferson? I think they're regretting voting in a Republican and now are asking for a recall. Can they do this?

http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=9867668&nav=menu209_1

He represents a constituency that isn't used to not getting handouts. They want their old crook back. They had a moment of conscience with Jefferson...but when they discovered this guy's #1 interest is not in getting them free handouts, they revolt.

 

[LeBuick]

He represents a constituency that isn't used to not getting handouts. They want their old crook back. They had a moment of conscience with Jefferson...but when they discovered this guy's #1 interest is not in getting them free handouts, they revolt.

He has a district that was devastated by two recent storms and in an area where no industry with any sense would locate to. I don't think the people are looking for Uncle Sam to take care of them but then again, a starving man, one who is truly starving never questions where the sandwich came from or what kind of table cloth is on the table.

 

[rbell]

He has a district that was devastated by two recent storms and in an area where no industry with any sense would locate to. I don't think the people are looking for Uncle Sam to take care of them but then again, a starving man, one who is truly starving never questions where the sandwich came from or what kind of table cloth is on the table.

Many of these folk were quite dependent on the government long before the hurricanes hit.

 

[LeBuick]

Many of these folk were quite dependent on the government long before the hurricanes hit.

Is that what you think? You think really low of your fellow man...

I like to believe very few people WANT to be on welfare, it is a low, undignified existence. Now I know there are some who are happy with that arrangement but I consider them the exception and not the rule. Those who have no choice do to economic conditions, health problems etc... need out help and if that means we give to a few scammers then so be it. It is better to take care of the poor plus a few scammers then to deny the poor because of a few scammers...

 

[dragonfly]

Many of these folk were quite dependent on the government long before the hurricanes hit.

Wow! Another "compassionate conservative." :laugh:

 

[rbell]

Is that what you think? You think really low of your fellow man...

I like to believe very few people WANT to be on welfare, it is a low, undignified existence. Now I know there are some who are happy with that arrangement but I consider them the exception and not the rule. Those who have no choice do to economic conditions, health problems etc... need out help and if that means we give to a few scammers then so be it. It is better to take care of the poor plus a few scammers then to deny the poor because of a few scammers...

I'm sorry. I was under the impression that the Bible tells us to provide for our own. Our responsibility is widows and orphans, and those who truly cannot fend for themselves.

My apologies. I wasn't aware we had "modified" said instructions. Thanks for clarifying. I'll be sure and get your "interpretation" before forming any more opinions...

 

[just-want-peace]

Wow! Another "compassionate conservative." :laugh:

And now folks, we give you another "drive-by", starring the one and only DRAGONFLY!

Hope you enjoy today's episode.

More will surely be following later!!

Try to contain your exuberance until then!:sleep::sleep:

 

[LadyEagle]

Is that what you think? You think really low of your fellow man...

I like to believe very few people WANT to be on welfare, it is a low, undignified existence. Now I know there are some who are happy with that arrangement but I consider them the exception and not the rule. Those who have no choice do to economic conditions, health problems etc... need out help and if that means we give to a few scammers then so be it. It is better to take care of the poor plus a few scammers then to deny the poor because of a few scammers...

You are wrong about NOLA.

What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological consequences of the welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an emergency is behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the responsibility to pursue and protect them. People with values respond to a disaster by fighting against it and doing whatever it takes to overcome the difficulties they face. They don't sit around and complain that the government hasn't taken care of them. And they don't use the chaos of a disaster as an opportunity to prey on their fellow men.

But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do they worry about saving their houses and property? They don't, because they don't own anything. Do they worry about what is going to happen to their businesses or how they are going to make a living? They never worried about those things before. Do they worry about crime and looting? But living off of stolen wealth is a way of life for them.

People living in piles of their own trash, while petulantly complaining that other people aren't doing enough to take care of them and then shooting at those who come to rescue them—this is not just a description of the chaos at the Superdome. It is a perfect summary of the 40-year history of the welfare state and its public housing projects.
The welfare state—and the brutish, uncivilized mentality it sustains and encourages—is the man-made disaster that explains the moral ugliness that has swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no one is reporting.

http://www.intellectualactivist.com/php-bin/news/showArticle.php?id=1026

 

[LeBuick]

I'm sorry. I was under the impression that the Bible tells us to provide for our own. Our responsibility is widows and orphans, and those who truly cannot fend for themselves..

1. You'll have to show me that verse where is says we must provide for out own? I understand about the widows and orphans but I don't recall seeing that other part.

2. That is what I said, people who can't fend for themselves are the ones who truly need welfare.

 

[LeBuick]

You are wrong about NOLA.



http://www.intellectualactivist.com/php-bin/news/showArticle.php?id=1026

Didn't take much nosing around that site to see how non-biased it is...

The Democratic political strategy has been dubbed the "slow bleed" strategy—and it is aptly named, because it is a plan to lose the War on Terrrorism slowly and thus with maximum loss of American lives and maximum damage to America's military credibility.

 

[rbell]

1. You'll have to show me that verse where is says we must provide for out own? I understand about the widows and orphans but I don't recall seeing that other part.

2. That is what I said, people who can't fend for themselves are the ones who truly need welfare.

1. 1 Timothy 5:8 (King James Version)

"But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

2. Nearly 47% voted for Jefferson (the "frozen money" crook) after his escapades. That tells you something about the 2nd District of Louisiana and the values of its voters.

The poverty rate there is 27%, FWIW.

 

[LeBuick]

1. 1 Timothy 5:8 (King James Version)

"But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

Don't neglect the Widows and grandmothers in your family. That's the verse that discourages welfare? What if welfare is your means to provide for the widows and grandmothers in your family? It seems we fail to acknowledge what a Godly blessing it is to be able to give to others if even through welfare? How can God's love abide in anyone who refuses to help his fellowman?

1Jn 3:17 How does God's love abide in anyone who has the world's goods and sees a brother or sister in need and yet refuses help?

 

[LeBuick]

Double play...

 

[LeBuick]

Triple play...

 

[rbell]

That's the verse that discourages welfare?

I didn't quote the verse and say, "This verse discourages welfare." I quoted the verse in response to your assertion of, "Show me in Scripture where it says we should provide for our own." Read my post more carefully.

Don't neglect the Widows and grandmothers in your family. What if welfare is your means to provide for the widows and grandmothers in your family?

Not sure if this disappoints or elates you...but I don'tneglect them. And I've never said, "It's wrong to go on welfare." But that should be one's last resort, when all other options fail. In many parts of the country, folks do it by default. And, it is always better if the family can help, rather than the government

Several years ago, we attempted at a former church of mine (in a poor area...where much of the population had been on welfare for decades) to hold a job fair. When we publicized it, the response was one of indifference. Many people flat out said, "Why should I work? I make better money getting my government check." One of the "churches" in the area actually had a seminar (twice a year, I think) entitled, "How to get the most out of your government assistance." It's one thing to help one's fellow man. It's another to deliberately breed sloth. That church does the latter.

How can God's love abide in anyone who refuses to help his fellowman?

What's with the false accusation? If I believe welfare is overused, then God's love isn't in me? Smells like a questioning of salvation to me. News flash: There are many, many other ways to help one's fellow man that do not involve the government.

Our church and our youth group are involved in many efforts to help our fellow men/women...including, but not limited to:

• Helping repair homes/improving them.
• Numerous food drives--almost too many to count.
• Blood drives.
• Adopting families (in the 8 Christmases I've been here, at least 300 families) for Christmas.
• Finding jobs for individuals.
• Training folks for jobs.
• Providing free childcare while someone goes for job training.
• Providing a car for needy families (at least 3-4 times).
• Repairing numerous cars free or at cost.
• Feeding kids at subsidized apartments a good, balanced meal.

I could go on...for a while. So do us both a favor, and don't even insinuate that our folk aren't doing their part down here.

It seems we fail to acknowledge what a Godly blessing it is to be able to give to others if even through welfare?

Yet another false accusation. It's even more of a blessing when one can give outside of Government. It's more effective. It's more personal. There's a spiritual dimension added. And it's being done down this way...a lot.


But...back to my earlier point: Almost half the folks in Louisiana's 2nd district would rather have a crook in office than not...even though it is indisputable that he is a thief and a liar. Is it an issue of race? Is it because one rep brought home more "pork" than another? Whatever it is...the fact that many in that district don't work...and don't try...contributes to said problem, IMO.

 

[LeBuick]

What's with the false accusation? If I believe welfare is overused, then God's love isn't in me? Smells like a questioning of salvation to me. News flash: There are many, many other ways to help one's fellow man that do not involve the government..

Not even close to questioning your salvation, salvation is by faith and faith alone. I also believe God isn't done perfecting any of us so we all have flaws when it comes to our Godly image. The point in the verse I posted was to ask since we have the Love of God in us, why would we stand in the way of welfare or any help to our fellowman?

So yes there are other ways to help our fellow man that doesn't involve government. I encourage charity. However, if government wants to roll up their sleeves and help also who are we to stand in the way? Why would we want to stand in the way? That's kind of like me standing in your way... Why?

 

[matt wade]

Not even close to questioning your salvation, salvation is by faith and faith alone. I also believe God isn't done perfecting any of us so we all have flaws when it comes to our Godly image. The point in the verse I posted was to ask since we have the Love of God in us, why would we stand in the way of welfare or any help to our fellowman?

So yes there are other ways to help our fellow man that doesn't involve government. I encourage charity. However, if government wants to roll up their sleeves and help also who are we to stand in the way? Why would we want to stand in the way? That's kind of like me standing in your way... Why?

Sorry...no it isn't like you standing in my way (or rbell's). The government does not have it's own money. You seem to be missing the point that all money that the government has comes out of the hands of tax payers. So, when I, or rbell, "stand in the way" of government welfare we are standing in the way of our money being spent.

Giving to those in need should not be something that people are forced to do at gunpoint (or fear of jail). That's exactly what government welfare does. If you choose not to participate in government welfare, you will be sent to jail. Does that sound like "charity" to you?

 

[rbell]

Not even close to questioning your salvation, salvation is by faith and faith alone. I also believe God isn't done perfecting any of us so we all have flaws when it comes to our Godly image. The point in the verse I posted was to ask since we have the Love of God in us, why would we stand in the way of welfare or any help to our fellowman?

So yes there are other ways to help our fellow man that doesn't involve government. I encourage charity. However, if government wants to roll up their sleeves and help also who are we to stand in the way? Why would we want to stand in the way? That's kind of like me standing in your way... Why?

It's not a matter of "standing in their way." Let's face it: private enterprise does a better job than government. Not to mention that many Christians have ceded the job that was theirs to the Federal Almighty Government of the United States.

 

[LeBuick]

Sorry...no it isn't like you standing in my way (or rbell's). The government does not have it's own money. You seem to be missing the point that all money that the government has comes out of the hands of tax payers. So, when I, or rbell, "stand in the way" of government welfare we are standing in the way of our money being spent.

No matter how you twist and spin it you are still standing in the way of those in need getting help.

If it makes you feel better to say Government has no money then so be it. In reality, you won't get a tax cut because they eliminate welfare. They'll just point that money to other waste. I believe since the government has taken our money (tax), I won't get it back (no tax cut) and they will only waste it elsewhere then I prefer to see it given to the poor or to help those in need. I call that a better use of my taxes than say building a bridge to nowhere...