Republican Recall

[LeBuick]

It's not a matter of "standing in their way." Let's face it: private enterprise does a better job than government. Not to mention that many Christians have ceded the job that was theirs to the Federal Almighty Government of the United States.

Not necessarily, private enterprise theoretically does better but of late they too have become wasteful stewards of the dollar. Bonuses, lavish retreats, million dollar bathroom renovations etc... Wasn't it the red cross CEO who owned the yacht?

However, I would like to see private enterprise give also. I will encourage anyone to include government and private enterprise to help those who are in need.

 

[rbell]

No matter how you twist and spin it you are still standing in the way of those in need getting help.

So... you know for a fact he doesn't help people?

Shame on you for such an accusation.

 

[matt wade]

No matter how you twist and spin it you are still standing in the way of those in need getting help.

Actually, I have much more efficient means of giving money to those in need of help. So therefore, by supporting government welfare, you are standing in the way of people that need help, since I have less money to give out in my more efficient manner.

 

[chuck2336]

Is that what you think? You think really low of your fellow man...

I like to believe very few people WANT to be on welfare, it is a low, undignified existence. Now I know there are some who are happy with that arrangement but I consider them the exception and not the rule. Those who have no choice do to economic conditions, health problems etc... need out help and if that means we give to a few scammers then so be it. It is better to take care of the poor plus a few scammers then to deny the poor because of a few scammers...

I want to agree with you, but I cant. In all my years of healthcare I have seen what I call generational welfare. This is where you have two, three, four, even five generations of people, in the same family all on welfare. The parents teach the kids all the tricks and so on.

I think it is the reverse of your conclusion. The exception seems to be those who are trying to get out of the system, not the other way around.

 

[JustChristian]

I'm sorry. I was under the impression that the Bible tells us to provide for our own. Our responsibility is widows and orphans, and those who truly cannot fend for themselves.

My apologies. I wasn't aware we had "modified" said instructions. Thanks for clarifying. I'll be sure and get your "interpretation" before forming any more opinions...

Where in the Bible are the instructions you refer to here?

 

[rbell]

Where in the Bible are the instructions you refer to here?

See my earlier post. I made it pretty plain.

Also...Scripture puts the job of taking care of the needy on followers of Christ, not the government.

 

[dragonfly]

See my earlier post. I made it pretty plain.

Also...Scripture puts the job of taking care of the needy on followers of Christ, not the government.

Where does the Scripture forbid government help for the needy?

 

[rbell]

Where does the Scripture forbid government help for the needy?

*sigh*

It's not a matter of "forbidding." It's that the primary responsibility for helping the poor falls on Christians.

 

[just-want-peace]

Where does the Scripture forbid government help for the needy?

Does your Mama know you're playing on her computer?

(I guess if a person constantly "talks" like a 5 YO, that should be the way they are treated!)

 

[carpro]

He represents a constituency that isn't used to not getting handouts. They want their old crook back. They had a moment of conscience with Jefferson...but when they discovered this guy's #1 interest is not in getting them free handouts, they revolt.

Louisiana has a history of being one of the most politically corrupt states in the union, edged out I believe by Illinois with Ohio making a bid for the lead.


They want their crook back. They're used to their loyalty being bought and the current representative won't pay to play.

 

[Pastor Larry]

The point in the verse I posted was to ask since we have the Love of God in us, why would we stand in the way of welfare or any help to our fellowman?

Because sometimes "help" means letting people hurt because they reap the consequences of their bad decisions. It doesn't help people to keep bailing them out for doing stupid things. Generally that is called an enabler.

 

[LeBuick]

So... you know for a fact he doesn't help people?

Shame on you for such an accusation.

I didn't say he didn't help people, I said he is standing in the way of others or in this case the government.

 

[LeBuick]

Actually, I have much more efficient means of giving money to those in need of help. So therefore, by supporting government welfare, you are standing in the way of people that need help, since I have less money to give out in my more efficient manner.

No reason we can't have your great idea and welfare also. Throw it out there, maybe others will join you... Like I said before, not like you're getting the taxes back so you can forget that money.

 

[LeBuick]

I want to agree with you, but I cant. In all my years of healthcare I have seen what I call generational welfare. This is where you have two, three, four, even five generations of people, in the same family all on welfare. The parents teach the kids all the tricks and so on.

I think it is the reverse of your conclusion. The exception seems to be those who are trying to get out of the system, not the other way around.

I never said there are no scammers... I am saying we shouldn't penalize the people who really need the help because of the scammers. Welfare reform only eliminates the people really in need since the scammers will always find a way...

 

[LeBuick]

See my earlier post. I made it pretty plain.

Also...Scripture puts the job of taking care of the needy on followers of Christ, not the government.

That Bible doesn't say the government can't help and it certainly doesn't encourage us to stand in governments way if they choose to help.

 

[LeBuick]

Because sometimes "help" means letting people hurt because they reap the consequences of their bad decisions. It doesn't help people to keep bailing them out for doing stupid things. Generally that is called an enabler.

So you are making the judgment that the reason they need help is because they made bad decisions. Shame on you. What if the CEO took all the money so the workers got laid off? How is that the workers bad decision? What if the president gave tax incentives to send your job overseas so you got laid off? How is that the workers bad decision.

Some people are just a victim of the economy and times and not all have made bad decisions. I don't think it's our place to judge who is who.

 

[John Toppass]

I find that most folks that vigorously defend the welfare system and this horrific bail out plan are those who usually are not pulling their own weight. They have their hand out and the other hand is in some one else's back pocket via the govt. They seem to be able to blame somebody else for the self inflicted problems the have. And yes, some even post here on the BB.

 

[LeBuick]

I find that most folks that vigorously defend the welfare system and this horrific bail out plan are those who usually are not pulling their own weight. They have their hand out and the other hand is in some one else's back pocket via the govt. They seem to be able to blame somebody else for the self inflicted problems the have. And yes, some even post here on the BB.

54% voted Democratic this election and we knew there would have to be this kind of stimulus plan. I don't believe 54% are not pulling their own weight of have their hand in someone else's pocket. Some of us just care what happens to our fellowman and especially the children...

 

[dragonfly]

*sigh*

It's not a matter of "forbidding." It's that the primary responsibility for helping the poor falls on Christians.

Oh, I see. The Scripture doesn't forbid it. You just don't like it. I can see why a greedy person would be against helping the poor.

 

[matt wade]

54% voted Democratic this election and we knew there would have to be this kind of stimulus plan. I don't believe 54% are not pulling their own weight of have their hand in someone else's pocket. Some of us just care what happens to our fellowman and especially the children...

50% of the population only pays 3% of the total income tax collected. So, it's not much of a stretch to say that 54% of the population does not pull its weight.