Republicans: What About Children Outside the Womb?

[Crabtownboy]

The Sister is right. There are many folk who are pro birth, but not really pro life.

"I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is.". --- Sister Joan Chittister, Catholic Nun

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jennifer-m-granholm/republicans-what-about-ch_b_1835134.html

 

[Revmitchell]

One of the biggest liberal lies is that if the government doesn't do it it won't get done. Of course the same liberals who perpetuate that lie gives little to nothing of their own personal money toward those who need it.


It is just plain dishonest and immoral to act like those who are against government involvement do not want children fed. If we are going to have a conversation about how best to accomplish things we need integrity. Something liberals are sorely lacking.

Of course when you are trying to hide the fact that you support the slaughter of the unborn then this is they kind of thing that you get.

There is nothing lower on this earth than supporting abortion and the organizations who do it. Those people are the scum of the earth.

 

[blessedwife318]

That may be one of the lefts talking points but study after study shows that it is conservatives that give more. The government has shown time and time again that all it can do with money is waste it so they should not be given more until they can control what they already have. Helping people is done much more effectively at a personal level not through some faceless bureaucracy where people can and do fall through the cracks.

 

[Alcott]

Are you accusing Jesus of being anti-life because he did not push the idea of tax money going to support children who have deadbeat parents?

 

[Revmitchell]

Wow! Crabby accused Jesus of being anti life.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Here's how pro-life Crabby is….

http://www.joniandfriends.org/media..._terri_schiavo_1_jpg_460x274_autocrop_q85.jpg


You should shut yer mouth about being pro-life for the living. You're a disgrace.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Here's how pro-life Crabby is….

http://www.joniandfriends.org/media..._terri_schiavo_1_jpg_460x274_autocrop_q85.jpg


You should shut yer mouth about being pro-life for the living. You're a disgrace.

How pro-life are you Bro ... and others.

I am opposed to:

Abortion
Capital punishment
not providing medical care of needy children
not providing adequate, nutritious food for needy children
not providing an adequate education to needy children


I am for:

feeding needy children
education all children and raising taxes if necessary
providing housing for needy children
providing medical care of needy children

If you do not agree with me than you are not really pro-life.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

You are for ending the lives of needy adults. (Probably unless that guy was rendered a vegetable by a cop he was trying to kill)

Lives you deem unworthy of living.

You are not pro-life.

And baloney on agreeing with you.

 

[Crabtownboy]

You are for ending the lives of needy adults. (Probably unless that guy was rendered a vegetable by a cop he was trying to kill)



Lives you deem unworthy of living.[/quore]


No idea what you are talking about.
You are not pro-life.

And baloney on agreeing with you.

So you consider it all right to let children die without proper medical care because they are poor, to go hungry because they are poor, to not receive a good education, to have poor housing.

Read the final judgement in Matthew and see what questions are to be asked. How will you answer them.

How can you be pro-life and believe it is all right to allow people not to have medical care, poor food, poor housing, poor education. How does this show Christ-like love to them?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

For you, Mr "Love of Christ". Please spare us from the "medical care" she received.

http://www.joniandfriends.org/media..._terri_schiavo_1_jpg_460x274_autocrop_q85.jpg

Then tell me all about that final judgement.

Instead of being completely dishonest and irrationally putting words in my mouth, tell us how a pre-life-for-the-living person has to twist his conscience into consenting to end this woman's life ?

 

[Crabtownboy]

For you, Mr "Love of Christ". Please spare us from the "medical care" she received.

http://www.joniandfriends.org/media..._terri_schiavo_1_jpg_460x274_autocrop_q85.jpg

Then tell me all about that final judgement.

Instead of being completely dishonest and irrationally putting words in my mouth, tell us how a pre-life-for-the-living person has to twist his conscience into consenting to end this woman's life ?

Not my discussion. I do not believe I ever entered into conversation on that topic. Nice try to divert the thread.

Why do you not take seriously scripture in Matthew?



Why do you not believe what is says? Why is it not part of your belief system and a part of how you interact with others?

Just so you can remember here it is...again:

When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, and he will put the sheep at his right hand and the goats at the left. Then the king will say to those at his right hand, 'Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.' Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink? And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or naked and gave you clothing? And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you?' And the king will answer them, 'Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.' Then he will say to those at his left hand, 'You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.' Then they also will answer, 'Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not take care of you?' Then he will answer them, 'Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.' And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Matthew25:31-54

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[Bro. Curtis]

Nope. You don't get to claim pro-life status. You can claim chicken status.

You also don't get to claim we don't want poor children cared fed, clothed, and healthy. That is based on nothing but an ignorance, an ignorance steeped in a hateful bias. For you to claim Christ is behind it is especially disgusting. Christ told the Pharisees not to be so quick to judge what others give. You sound more like one of them than Him.

I would be stupid to continue this discussion any further.

 

[Alcott]

Why do you not take seriously scripture in Matthew?

If you do take it seriously, then you are aware that those who did not help other will not know they didn't, and those who did help them will not know they did. Which do you think you are?

 

[Crabtownboy]

If you do take it seriously, then you are aware that those who did not help other will not know they didn't, and those who did help them will not know they did. Which do you think you are?

Not my place to assume. That issue is up to God and I trust in his perfect judgement. There are a number of areas that I leave to God and do not speculate about.

However, I do take Matthew's account seriously, and it does impact my life.

That is why I take a pro-life stance in all areas and not just selective ones. If we are pro-birth than we should be pro-life in all areas of that child's life. If we are not we are not really pro-life.

How about you?

 

[Crabtownboy]

Nope. You don't get to claim pro-life status. You can claim chicken status.

You also don't get to claim we don't want poor children cared fed, clothed, and healthy. That is based on nothing but an ignorance, an ignorance steeped in a hateful bias. For you to claim Christ is behind it is especially disgusting. Christ told the Pharisees not to be so quick to judge what others give. You sound more like one of them than Him.

I would be stupid to continue this discussion any further.

You seem to always cut and run when I bring Christ and his teachings into a discussion. The same with the Last Judgment.

I remember one post about two years ago when you ask something like, "Why do you have to bring Christ into the discussion.

 

[Alcott]

Not my place to assume. That issue is up to God and I trust in his perfect judgement. There are a number of areas that I leave to God and do not speculate about.

However, I do take Matthew's account seriously, and it does impact my life.

If you think you're helping people, then you're not (if you really take it seriously).

That is why I take a pro-life stance in all areas and not just selective ones. If we are pro-birth than we should be pro-life in all areas of that child's life. If we are not we are not really pro-life.

How about you?

I suppose I'm not "pro-life" in all areas. For instance, those videos from 9-11-01-- in some you can see people jumping to their deaths because they either cannot breath or their being burned alive is inevitable. I'm sure I would jump to my death, too; and if asked by one in the same situation, I would aid that person to do so also.

How about you?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

If you do take it seriously, then you are aware that those who did not help other will not know they didn't, and those who did help them will not know they did. Which do you think you are?

Amazing how this point was not addressed. Great post.

 

[Revmitchell]

You seem to always cut and run when I bring Christ and his teachings into a discussion. .

That is just a bunch of bunk and you know it. I have never seen him do any such thing.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

How pro-life are you Bro ... and others.

I am opposed to:

Abortion
Capital punishment
not providing medical care of needy children
not providing adequate, nutritious food for needy children
not providing an adequate education to needy children


I am for:

feeding needy children
education all children and raising taxes if necessary
providing housing for needy children
providing medical care of needy children

If you do not agree with me than you are not really pro-life.

It's not that we are against feeding needy children, or providing them education and housing, but that we do not believe it is the governments job nor is the government competent for such a task. This is an area that the government has no business being involved in. look at public education, Secular Humanist education is brainwashing people into paganism, The Government is not the savior of misfortune children, God is, and It's the Church's responsibility to help them, Kind hard to do though when you have a tyrannical government ruining our country with all it's unconstitutional taxes, regulations, etc. Government control is ruining this country.

 

[Crabtownboy]

It's not that we are against feeding needy children, or providing them education and housing, but that we do not believe it is the governments job nor is the government competent for such a task. This is an area that the government has no business being involved in. look at public education, Secular Humanist education is brainwashing people into paganism, The Government is not the savior of misfortune children, God is, and It's the Church's responsibility to help them, Kind hard to do though when you have a tyrannical government ruining our country with all it's unconstitutional taxes, regulations, etc. Government control is ruining this country.

In your opinion, who should be doing these jobs and how would the programs be funded?

How much would you contribute to these programs?

Do you see any churches with large programs feeding the hungry, giving them living quarters, giving them education? I do not see any churches doing this. Some have small programs, but no where near what is needed.

And, why not government? Isn't taking care of those in need a basic part of any good government?

Are you familiar with the 'robber baron' era in the US. Industry certainly is not going to help people. That is certainly one lesson of history.