Requirements for guests at PCC

You need to meet my wife. She's 4' 11".

What you say sounds right and seems to make sense, but when I go shopping with my wife to get her dresses for special occasions, it is very difficult to find anything.

Well that's not how you play classical guitar. There is no high stool (more like a regular chair with no arms) and no guitar strap. To properly hold the guitar you have a foot rest that elevates one foot about 6-8" so that your upper leg fits into the curve of the guitar and makes it secure.

That's a very different position from the one you describe.

Well, my wife does not fit that stereotype. She's not a clothes horse. She believes in having a small set of nice clothes that are appropriate for a wide range of activities.

Yes, that's why she never wears a skirt or pants when she performs.

Umm... I have been honest. She looks strange with the waists of dresses at her knees, and it's immodest when she performs. My wife dresses very modestly and she wears ladies slacks and jeans.

I wonder if participants would be allowed to bring both a KJV and the translation of their preference to the meeting, and use what where they believe it to be appropriate?

 

Please believe me brother Baptist Believer, I was not picking at your standard. Just noting something that seemed odd to me. I, too, am not a clothes horse as you put it...........in fact I tend to shop at thrift stores in order to find most things that I can wear. Many retail stores are making it more and more difficult for people like me.


I seriously doubt that they'll be checking the Bible version at the door to any of their sessions. This is just one of those "play in my court, play by my rules while you're here" kind of a thing. I see no harm in it.

 

Having been on Staff and have gone through their masters program. The summer is completely different than the regular school year. There will be hundreds, maybe even a thousand people on campus for the summer seminar. Some of these are taking it for credit, while others are not. During this time, the rules are rarely enforced, with the exception of the dress code. However, even that is not enforced completely. The code calls for womens skirts/dresses to be knee length. It would not be uncommon to see this violated during summer seminar. As C4K stated, the school wants everyone to leave having had a great experience. The cell phone in the car rule was in effect in the very beginning, but a number of years ago they changed that rule. They do not allow them in class, but if you turn it off, they won't care.

As to normal visitors. Almost anything goes. Women have come on campus in pants, shorts. As long as they are modest, they will not be asked to leave, especially if they are a HS student. During college days, the HS students wore just about everything.

Hope that helps, enjoy your trip

 

As to the version of Scripture - This would only matter if you are taking the seminar for credit. The paper that would need to be done would need to use the KJV. If you are not taking it for credit, there is no issue.

 

For me, these policies both the dress and translation would call into question the teaching curriculums of the school because of the closed mindedness and legalistic type attitude. Personally, even though I read the KJV and very much prefer it if one were to tell me it is all I could read I would probably have to tell them to fly a kite. The dress/shirt issue is just plain silly old-fashioned inbred traditional nonsense IMO.

That would bother me alone.

Of course it may be seen different by others but these types of bureaucratic dictatorships always strike me negatively.

On the other hand, I know when your in some one else’s house you need to abide by their rules, but I would avoid that type of house if it were possible just as much as I would avoid a Catholic church because of their man made traditions simply because of not being of interest to me.

Err… I could have just said that.

I guess I just don’t even get this modesty thing; I find a woman in a dress to be more… sexy…(for lack of a better word) than one in pants.

I must be thinking of the wrong kind of dress or something because even the well dressed professional women in business suit/shirts and heels are not looking too immodest IMO.

Be careful what you ask for.

"Note - A BEKA is the registered trademark of Pensacola Christian College."

 

Just as a short note.......the ABeka curriculum is a widely used and widely respected Christian curriculum. It has been used for many years all over the country in many Christian schools......those same schools are the ones who have gotten their kids educated consistently around 2 grades above the level of their local public school kids.

I grew up using the ABeka curriculum through most of my school years, and I don't remember the curriculum itself ever making an issue of either the version OR a standard of dress. Oh, and not all the church-schools that I attended had those standards either. In fact, it was not until this past year that I realized PCC was KJVO and "dresses only on women". And like I said, I grew up in the ABeka program.

So Benjamin, I don't see any need to fear this curriculum at all.

Also, yes, I think you must be thinking of the wrong kind of dresses.....;D

 

Using one version is a curriculum does not make it that version only. It would be a mess, IMHO, to change versions all throughout a curriculum.

Would a book that only quoted out of the NIV be guilty of NIVO? Hardly.

As far as illustrations using dresses only - well, if that is their standard and practice so be it. They certainly are not trying to put anyone down by that practice.

I don't agree with a lot of what goes on at these schools - but lets cut them a break. The ABEKA phonics programme is the best in the world IMHO. I use it to teach literacy to Irish adults and teens even if the sounds are not exact, it is adaptable. I never even notice what the girls and ladies are wearing in the pics.

 

and it does make sense for a curriculum that is going to be widely used to reflect the more strict standard. After all, the ladies in pants really don't have any objection to girls also wearing dresses..... That way the curriculum can minister to both crowds without being objectionable to either.



Oh, I liked the Bob Jones curriculum too when I was in school.

 

Could you point out an example of where they promote the KJVO "doctrine" in their curriculum for me please? We have taught and used it for years and must have missed that aspect of their materials.

Everyone knows the school is heavy KJVO, but I am not aware of any cases where they promote in their school curriculum. I would appreciate any help you can give in clarifying this for us.

 

Why would anyone do that? Why tell 13 year olds - "You really need to check out a bunch of versions of the Bible. We realise you don't know any Greek or Hebrew yet - but you really ought to check out some other versions."

Thats not up to a publishing company - its up to parents and teachers.

Using the KJV exclusively in your curriculum does not mean it promotes the doctrine of KJVO by any means.

 

I really am missing the point here - using one version in your materials is not the same as teaching a KJVO doctrine.

Their materials use only the KJV - no one argues that. That does not make their materials KJVO. That implies that they teach that particular doctrine, which they don't.

The school is far too extreme on this issue for me - but that doesn't mean they spread that doctrine to every part of their ministry.

 

Agreed on the debate point.

I take my Christian materials on the basis of their content, not on the school, organisation, or church behind them.

There are wonderful materials from the Reformed Theologians that I use all the time. Their theology does not come through unless it is on topic. It would be unfair the declare a ABEKA history book as KJVO when the subject never comes up.

How can "Handbook for Reading" be KJVO? They don't even use entire verses in there.

I would have a problem if they presented that doctrine in their courses - they do not so that in NOT one of my many problems with PCC.

I stopped using PCC materials (back when we were teaching in a Christian school) because I found their materials tended to present a "Christian revisionist" attitude toward US history.