respector of persons?

[SovereignGrace]

What do we do with passages such as the following?
Are we speaking singularly of the lost?

Granted these are saved folk.

Daniel 9:23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

Luke 1
27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

Thanks
HankD

What about When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal ; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. So the LORD said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD."[Genesis 6:1-8]

Here in this passage, it tells how God sees all His creation as being wicked, and Him ready to kill every blasted one of them. Yet, Noah found grace in His eyes. If grace is unmerited favor...and it is...then what merit did Noah have for God to choose him? None. Yet, in Vanology 060, that is not the case. There had to be something in Noah that made God choose him. That is a foreign concept to what is written, but espoused nonetheless...

 

[HankD]

I believe them as written to be descriptive of the blessing that has been bestowed on the person.

OK so then even the children of God receive "special" blessings without any merit on their part (post salvation)?

What could be more special for a virgin Israelite girl than to made pregnant by the Holy Ghost with the logos, the Son of God.

Was there no other reason (in your estimation) other than His random choice among all the virgins in Israel?

Yes, I am a former Catholic, but after I was saved I was unable to pray to her even though I remained in the Catholic church for a couple of years.

I am however able to call her blessed among women although I dropped the Catholic phrase"the mother of God".

Thanks
HankD

 

[Internet Theologian]

Repeating nonsense does not validate it. Over and over in scripture God is shown to choose people according to His purpose, such as giving grace to the humble. God is not a respecter of persons according to the world's value system. Such a simple concept, but those inside the Trojan Horse are unable to see the light. Does He choose those rich in faith and heirs to the kingdom promised to those who love God? Yes. Does He choose the foolish to shame the wise? Yes Does He proclaim your faith has healed you? Or your faith has saved you? Of course.

And note, folks, this thread has not been moved.

So God will choose a person if they humble themselves, and will choose another because they are rich in faith, or if they become rich in faith? (LOL!!!) Sorry, the LOL!! just burst through. But please, do answer.

 

[Iconoclast]

OK so then even the children of God receive "special" blessings without any merit on their part (post salvation)?

What could be more special for a virgin Israelite girl than to made pregnant by the Holy Ghost with the logos, the Son of God.

Was there no other reason (in your estimation) other than His random choice among all the virgins in Israel?

Yes, I am a former Catholic, but after I was saved I was unable to pray to her even though I remained in the Catholic church for a couple of years.

I am however able to call her blessed among women although I dropped the Catholic phrase"the mother of God".

Thanks
HankD

'
There is nothing in any one of us to commend ourselves to God.
We are all unworthy and deserving of death.

 

[HankD]

What about When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal ; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. So the LORD said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD."[Genesis 6:1-8]

Here in this passage, it tells how God sees all His creation as being wicked, and Him ready to kill every blasted one of them. Yet, Noah found grace in His eyes. If grace is unmerited favor...and it is...then what merit did Noah have for God to choose him? None. Yet, in Vanology 060, that is not the case. There had to be something in Noah that made God choose him. That is a foreign concept to what is written, but espoused nonetheless...

Thanks for your response SG.

Noah, yes its clear, he found grace in God's eyes.
But Daniel and Mary (to be forthright) seem muddled, almost as if there was something about them which God approved.

Another is Enoch:
Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Should we leave off trying to please God?

Thanks
HankD

 

[Internet Theologian]

Thanks for your response SG.

Noah, yes its clear, he found grace in God's eyes.
But Daniel and Mary (to be forthright) seem muddled, almost as if there was something about them which God approved.

Another is Enoch:
Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Should we leave off trying to please God?

Thanks
HankD

That is an impossibility, those who cannot please God are in the flesh, therefore none who are in Christ can revert to this lost state, Romans 8:8, the 'trying to please God' statement aside.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Thanks for your response SG.

Noah, yes its clear, he found grace in God's eyes.
But Daniel and Mary (to be forthright) seem muddled, almost as if there was something about them which God approved.

Another is Enoch:
Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Should we leave off trying to please God?

Thanks
HankD

God sees us through either the first or last Adam. If He sees us through the first Adam, we're in trouble. If He sees us through the last Adam, we are blessed. Now, even under the Law...even pre-Law, I believe God saw them through Christ. "His works were finished from the creation of the world" as Acts 15:18 avers. So if His works were finished, they were accomplished from that point.

 

[HankD]

'
There is nothing in any one of us to commend ourselves to God.
We are all unworthy and deserving of death.

OK, but we still need to address these passages which give the appearance of something different, that some of His children seem to please him.

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Please (this is to everyone) do not start accusing me of heresy (directly or indirectly). This seems to be a pattern here at BB and its not just one group vs the antitheses e.g. (C vs A) (dispensationalism vs covenant theology) on and on...

I am simply asking a question without expressing my own thoughts looking for an honest answer.

How will anyone learn anything when we start throwing each other into the Lake of Fire?

SO, did Enoch please God?

If not will someone, anyone please address this portion of scripture? he pleased God.

Thanks
HankD

 

[SovereignGrace]

OK, but we still need to address these passages which give the appearance of something different, that some of His children seem to please him.

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Please (this is to everyone) do not start accusing me of heresy (directly or indirectly). This seems to be a pattern here at BB and its not just one group vs the antitheses e.g. (C vs A) (dispensationalism vs covenant theology) on and on...

I am simply asking a question without expressing my own thoughts looking for an honest answer.

How will anyone learn anything when we start throwing each other into the Lake of Fire?

SO, did Enoch please God?

If not will someone, anyone please address this portion of scripture? he pleased God.

Thanks
HankD

Men in the flesh can not please God.[Romans 8:8] That goes also for Enoch, Daniel, and Mary. So this shows they were not men(and woman) of the flesh, but of the Spirit.

 

[HankD]

Men in the flesh can not please God.[Romans 8:8] That goes also for Enoch, Daniel, and Mary. So this shows they were not men(and woman) of the flesh, but of the Spirit.

Thank You SG!!

Many needed to hear (actually read) that.

HankD

 

[SovereignGrace]

Thank You SG!!

HankD

Do you at least see my point(s). I am not saying you agree with it(them), but I hope you at least see where I am coming from.

 

[HankD]

Do you at least see my point(s). I am not saying you agree with it(them), but I hope you at least see where I am coming from.

Yes, I do indeed.

HankD

 

[Van]

LOL, page after page of folks denying scripture after scripture. God is a respecter of persons according to His value system, not the world's value system. Such an easy concept to grasp and demonstrate. God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. Those that deny this hold unbiblical views. God chooses people for salvation through faith in the truth, a conditional election. Those that deny this hold unbiblical views. Folks just set aside all the smoke and smears, and embrace the truth of scripture. Jacob I loved but Esau I hated. Judas was a greedy meanie, and therefore was well chosen to be the betrayer.
Did God favor the kid with the many colored coat? I could go on and on, but it is pointless. God is a respecter of people according to His value system, not the world's.

 

[Iconoclast]

We should seek to obey God....so we hear this;
His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

 

[Iconoclast]

LOL, page after page of folks denying scripture after scripture. God is a respecter of persons according to His value system, not the world's value system. Such an easy concept to grasp and demonstrate. God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. Those that deny this hold unbiblical views. God chooses people for salvation through faith in the truth, a conditional election. Those that deny this hold unbiblical views. Folks just set aside all the smoke and smears, and embrace the truth of scripture. Jacob I loved but Esau I hated. Judas was a greedy meanie, and therefore was well chosen to be the betrayer.
Did God favor the kid with the many colored coat? I could go on and on, but it is pointless. God is a respecter of people according to His value system, not the world's.

The biblical God is not .

 

[Van]

I see another mutilation of scripture has been suggested, Romans 8:8. What does it mean if we are "in the flesh?" Does it mean unregenerate, or does it refer to when we have set our mind of fleshly desires? Fleshly desires.

 

[Van]

Again and again they shout God does not oppose the proud and give grace to the humble. Again and again they say God does not choose people for salvation through faith in the truth. Pay no attention and just read your bible.

 

[SovereignGrace]

God is no respector of persons and Van says He is, when Peter proclaimed otherwise...
The bible says no one seeks God and Van says they do...
The bible says the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit, yet Van states they can understand the sincere milk of the gospel...

Van better be the one who reads his bible...

 

[SovereignGrace]

Thank You SG!!

Many needed to hear (actually read) that.

HankD

Not to hijack the thread or start a rabbit trail, but that is why those who hold to regeneration being a NT reality fall short in their understanding. The unregenerate are men of the flesh, whilst the saved are men of the Spirit, having a new birth via God's Spirit.

 

[HankD]

Not to hijack the thread or start a rabbit trail, but that is why those who hold to regeneration being a NT reality fall short in their understanding. The unregenerate are men of the flesh, whilst the saved are men of the Spirit, having a new birth via God's Spirit.

Misdirection or misguidance?

That is not to say that God's people are perfect but every once in a while God does not complain about certain individuals like Enoch, Daniel, Nathanael, Mary...

John 1:47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!

HankD