resurrection and the rapture

[church mouse guy]

Will the wrath of God be indiscriminate? Is the bride better than the master?

 

[church mouse guy]

Hrhema, should a person assume from your pseudonym that you are Rhema as in Kenneth Hagin?

 

[Mark-in-Tx]

I'm moving this thread where it belongs to the What's your favorite Ice Cream discussion in the regular forum. Thanks.

Just kidding lol

 

[postrib]

...Matthew 24 and 25 was directed to the Jews...

Unbelieving Jews or believing Jews?

To whom is Matthew 24:36-42 directed?

To whom was the Sermon on the Mount directed?

...In I Thessalonians it tells us that we will meet Jesus in the Air. This is proof that Jesus will not touch the Earth...

How is it proof?

...The Comings of Jesus means when he physically comes to Earth...

Then the following passages must refer to when he physically comes to Earth:

"The coming of the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:15).

"They that are Christ's at his coming" (1 Corinthians 15:23).

...Jesus will not allow his bride to suffer the wrath of God...

How does someone become a member of the bride of Christ?

Where does Revelation show those in the tribulation who are saved suffering under the wrath of God?

...a Second 144,000...

Why do you believe they aren't the same as the first?

...As far as the belief in pre-trib this belief was taught even by Tertullian one of the great church Fathers. it was also believed by Polycarp...

Can you quote from where they teach pre-trib?

http://www.geocities.com/postrib

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by nom_de_cyber_guy:

Does anyone know anything about the history of this pre-tribulation doctrine?

The futurist view(as well as the full preterist view) in modern times was originally concocted by Roman Catholic priests. The Reformers had(correctly in my view) interpreted the antichrist to be the office of the pope. To try to deflect this, these priests tried to put the symbolic language of the book of Revelation way off into the future(or way off into the past in full preterism). In the 1800s a man named Darby grabbed hold of the idea and it filtered on down until about 35 years ago a fellow named Hal Lindsey popularized this view with his book The Late Great Planet Earth. It is amazing how so many Protestants, especially Baptists, have swallowed the Catholic idea about the antichrist hook, line, and sinker.

Fortunately, other ideas are coming back into vogue such as postmillenial and optimistic amillennialism. I look forward to the day when dispensational premillennialism is once again the minority view among Baptists.

For the Catholic origns of both Futurism and Full Preterism see www.aloha.net/~mikesch/antichrist.htm

One redeemed by Christ's blood,

Ken

[ June 01, 2002, 10:53 PM: Message edited by: Ken Hamilton ]