Resurrection 'On the Fifth Day'?

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Reckoning backwards from Pentecost / Shavuot, Sabbath 5 Sivan, to First Sheaf, Sabbath 16 Nisan,
PERFECT AGREEMENT OCCURS with each and every other date, day and event mentioned in the Torah:
1, With the express mention of “the fifteenth day of the second month ... (till) the Seventh Day ... Sabbath” (Ex.16);
2, With the Exodus and Entering into the promised land (Ex.12 to 15) and its (later) categorical placement in the Fourth Commandment for reason of the Sabbath’s remembering and keeping.

John Lightfoot, in
'A Commentary on the New Testament from the Talmud and Hebraica - Exercitations upon the Acts', Point “IV, 1”, in order to induce that Jesus fulfilled Old Testament prophecies such as the Passover and Pentecost in every instance one day after the original date, says,

“The ambiguity of the words themselves ... when the day of Pentecost was fully come” may be either rendered, as we have done in the English ...; or as they in the Italian, “when it was fully gone”. So that the phrase leaves it undetermined ... and what is there could be alleged against it, should we render it in the latter sense?”

One could but marvel at such a great and dignified scholar reaching such conclusions for such reasons. But much can be “alleged against it”, such as the nature of the Sabbath Day, and its history, and its commandment; such as every particular fact and implication of plain chronology; such as the “sure word of Prophecy”! No! Pentecost / Shavuot HAD TO fall on the Sabbath Day and in Jesus’ fulfilling of it, DID fall on the Sabbath Day exactly and by no means after it.

As it happened to be fulfilled in Jesus Christ, so the Shavuot first happened in the revelation-history of the Saving God. The Sabbath Day stands within that ESCHATOLOGICAL relationship to the history of Salvation and to God’s Eternal Covenant of Grace in Jesus Christ. The LORD’S APPEARANCE in Shavuot / Pentecost in saving and in judging GRACE, made of the Sabbath the LORD’S DAY. Although the Sabbath is also Law, it was given before the Law – it was given as GRACE, FIRST!

Says Lightfoot under point “III”:
“We can hardly invent a more fit and proper reason why upon this day they (the disciples / believers) should be ‘all with one accord in one place’, than they were so gathered for the celebration of “the Lord’s Day”. So that although we have adventured to call it into question whether the Holy Ghost was poured out upon the very day of the Jewish ‘Pentecost’ (Sabbath, CGE), yet have we not done it with any love to contradiction, but as having considerable reason so to do, and with design of asserting to “the Lord’s Day” (Sunday) its just honour and esteem for on that day, beyond all controversy, the Holy Ghost did come down amongst them.”

I have thought before this that I have seen everything!
Hardly a more inventive and adventurous design could be imagined than ‘the considerable reason’ Lightfoot claims of asserting to THE SUNDAY.

Lightfoot FULLY depends on NOTHING. The Scriptures contradicts his assertions every inch! Quote:

“III. As to the year, therefore, we are now upon, wherein Christ ascended, and the Holy Ghost came down; THE SHEAF-OFFERING WAS ON THE SABBATH DAY (Emphasis CGE.) FOR THE PASCHAL LAMB WAS EATEN ON THURSDAY (the night of the Sixth Day – ‘Friday’, CGE); so that Friday ... was the first day of the feast, the sabbatical, or holiday. And the following day, which was their Sabbath, was THE SECOND, on which the sheaf was offered whilst Christ lay in the grave. ...” (What a contradiction in essence! CGE)

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I omitted: “... so that Friday (ON WHICH DAY OUR SAVIOUR WAS CRUCIFIED) was the first day of the feast ...”, FOR THE OBVIOUS REASON that our Saviour was NOT crucified on Friday, but on the PREVIOUS day of the week “WHEN THEY ALWAYS SLAUGHTERED THE PASSOVER”, and the Paschal lamb - CONSEQUENTLY -, “was eaten on Thursday(night)”.

Says Paul: “... that He was buried, and that He rose again THE THIRD DAY ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES ...” THE PASCHAL-SCRIPTURES! It was NOT “the second” day “on which the sheaf was offered”, but “the third day”. Lightfoot says this day was the Sabbath when the First Sheaf was waved before the Lord. The day after this, he claims Jesus rose from the dead.

Lightfoot further unpretentiously goes on directly denying every instance of prophetic fulfilment in and by Christ:

“IV. II. It is worthy our observation, that Christ the antitype, in answering some types that represented him, did not tie himself up to the very day of the type itself for the fulfilling of it, but put it off to the day following. So it was not on upon the very day of the Passover, but the day following, that ‘Christ our Passover was sacrificed for us; it was not on the very day that the sheaf of the firstfruits was offered, but the day following, that Christ became ‘the firstfruit of them that slept’. So also did He institute the Christian sabbath not the same day with the Jewish Sabbath wherein God had finished the work of his creation, but the day following, wherein Christ had finished the work of his redemption. And so it was agreeable to reason, and to the order wherein he disposed of things already mentioned, that he should indulge that mysterious gift of the Holy Ghost, not upon the day of the Jewish Sabbath, but the day following, the day of his own resurrection from the grave; that the Spirit should not be poured out upon the same day wherein the giving of the law was commemorated, but upon a day that might keep up the commemoration of himself for ever.”
If Christ had not “tie(d) himself up to the very day of the type itself for the fulfilling of it”, then He – according to Lightfoot -, tied himself up to the very “day FOLLOWING”, which has no connection with the type itself left for the fulfilling of it.
I cannot argue against such flat rejection of the Scriptures, of Prophecy, of Inspiration, of Eschatology, of Typology, of Promise, of Covenant, of Order, of Faithfulness, of Faith, or of Hope. In the end Christ fulfilled NOTHING OF GOD’S SWORN WORD OF ASSURANCE.

The Apostles’ repeated and emphatic insistence “according to the Scriptures the third day” is hollow rhetoric if Lightfoot is not in error.
It is TOTALLY UNworthy ‘our observation’, and TOTALLY DISagreeable ‘with reason or order’, that Christ - THE ANTITYPE -, in ANSWERING EVERY type that represented him, did not himself to the very ESSENCE of the type itself, fulfill it! And in the case of days and dates being such “types”, their essence-typical lies in their being days or dates “itself”.

One can hardly invent a more fit and proper reason why upon this day of Pentecost the believers should be ‘all with one accord in one place’, than they were so gathered for the celebration of “the Lord’s Day” AS CO-INCIDENTAL WITH PENTECOST AS BEING FULFILLED BY AND IN JESUS CHRIST, and with design of asserting to “the Lord’s Day” – the Sabbath Day -, its just honour and esteem. For on that day, beyond all controversy, the Holy Ghost did come down amongst them! So that WE VENTURE NOT to call it into question whether the Holy Ghost was poured out upon the very day of ‘the Jewish’ Pentecost, yet not for love to contradiction, but as having considerable reason to so believe, trusting the Word “thus spoken” by God for its clear truth.


Read the attached article by John D. Keyser, ‘Dead Sea Scrolls Prove Pharisees Controlled Temple Ritual!’, on the next page. The first of the fifty days from Nisan 16 could be any day of the week – the ’Pharisaic’ (and ‘Mosaic’) way of counting, and was not necessarily the First Day of the week – the ‘Sadducees’’ way of counting . . .

Also see Part 1, 2, ‘Crucifixion’, Par. 5.2.1.4, p.106f, Par. 5.2.2.5.4, p. 169, 176, p. 191, 197, 236, 263.

 

[donnA]

If scripture is to be believed, the op is not.

Matt 28:1
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre



Mark 16:9
9Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.


Luke 24:1
1Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

Resurrection ‘On the Fifth Day?

Fourth Day………SFifthDay…………SSixthDay…………SSabbath…………SFirst Day……
Tue/Wed……..……Wed/Thu…....……Thur/Frid…….....…Frid/Sat………....…Sat/Sun…
---/-----------------------/-----------------------/------------------------/-----------------------/--------
A…1…Cru……BurS…/…………...……S……/……………….…S…./……………………Res/…………
B…1…Cru……BurS…/…………...……S……/…………………S……/……………………S……/…Res…
C…………………….…S…/…Cr………..BS……/……………….…S……/……………………S……/…Res…
D………Tradition……/………….………S……/…Cr……Bu..S……/………………….…S……/…Res…
E………………………S……/…Cr………..…S……/…Burial……S……/……..…Res….…S……/……Ap
…………………….…S==/==1====S==/==2====S==/===3=====S……/…………
Tu/Wed…………Wed/Thu…….....…Thu/Frid……………Frid/Sat…….......……Sat/Sun……

This is junk.

 

[Gwyneth]

I may not be as knowledgeable as some with regard to the times/ dates / no. of days etc. but - I know that GOD RAISED HIM and that HE LIVES and that is enough for me .​

 

[Samuel Owen]

It really does not matter, which way you see it. A Thursday crucifixion, or Friday, neither violates a Sunday resurrection. That is really the most important! part of the resurrection account.

The Bible states plainly! the first day of the week was the resurrection, to say otherwise discredits Gods word, and that is no small thing. Personally I would not waste my time, arguing for either. I don't know where the author of the article I posted got his dating information, but there are ways providing you have the right year. There are different opinions on the year also.

The important part is that you believe he died for out sin, and was resurrected to justify our faith in him (the proof of Gods acceptance of his sacrifice). Apart from faith, there is no record other than Gods word, that it even occurred.

The Bible tells us the "Just shall walk by faith, and not by site". Besides trying to date set any occurrence, is contrary to Gods word.

I really have never ask for any proof, and never will, I just simply accept that there is a Jesus (son of God), and that he died for my sin. I do that by faith only!.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The Bible states plainly! the first day of the week was the resurrection, to say otherwise discredits Gods word, and that is no small thing.

God does not lie; we shall not lie.
The Scriptures are the Written Word of God. Basic Protestant Christianity.

What you say is not new to me. I had to contend with such arguments with myself, from the beginning of my taking things seriously -- in order to make my Christian life and confession and faith to agree; not to live a hypocrite and coward. With myself I have had this warfare. It is easy to say the very true things you have said where you spoke the truth. But that verily is what makes it impossible to live in peace and harmony with the lie and the love of the world.

What rattled me most after the things of my own heart, was the fearless arrogance of Christians who claim to believe these same, and precious soul-saving truths. In straight talk: They say they believe in God and they believe his Word, but the moment they are confronted with something that points their way as in the wrong, don't think they will admit, repent and make good and do right. No, they will rather violate the Scriptures. There is no easier recipe. I have said it before, I rather become a Roman Catholic and renounce the Scriptures in all than mutilate it and boast my Christianity. It is the most abhorrent idea to me.

Now I tell you, Samuel Owen and whosoever else. like Dolla, If the oldest Translation translated "In the Sabbath" and "towards the First Day", and the 'New' oldest 'translation' - NKJV, comes and changes that to "After the Sabbath" and "on the First Day", then is it you get arrogance that defies God the Author of the Written Word of God.

Yes, the 'Version' you are reading, may tell you, 'The Bible states plainly! the first day of the week was the resurrection'. Well I say to you, to say, discredits Gods word, and that is no small thing.

And so I can go on and show you one by one how the Bible has been mutilated with one purpose IN MIND of the 'translators' and 'editors': The predetermined objective to destroy the TRUTH of God's Word and, for the sake of the false god of Sunday-worship. One by one - how these texts are changed and shaped to suit this only objective. That is no small thing.

Take Lightfoot above - but he did not change the Scriptures! at least.

The latest I have come accross was Knoch's analytical Bible I think it was called (It's my friends book, I can give you the correct title but I'll first have to get it from him.) In any case, this very book in its first edition - it caused a row because of it at one stage in about the forties of fifties of the previous century - I can give you the detail, to be sure) - this very new edition of that book has been published with this very same change made to Mt28:1. And no indication that it has been made. Anyone who may read this massive beautiful authoritative edition, it weighs a ton, would never know. Just so with all the many 'modern' 'translations'. And I must accept for sincere Christianity? God is Judge! I am glad I'm getting old, and don't have a whole lifetime in front of me. I just would not be able to keep standing up against this false Christianity, and insult to the faith of Jesus Christ.

The only 'critique' such Christianity is able to lodge, is perfectly being illustrated in some posts on this thread. I say to those users of nonsensical adjectives, you should be ashamed of yourself.

A Christianity that stands or falls with the belief of a First Day Resurrection is a false Christianity. I say again, then I rather join the ranks of Roman Catholicism. But God help me, I would rather die.

 

[Samuel Owen]

"In the Sabbath" and "towards the First Day"

Which translation is this from, its certainly not from the KJV.

"In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week"

This is what it says in all of my KJV versions. As it began to dawn towards; would indicate it was the eve of the first DAY, (night of the first day.) Jesus final night, completing the three nights. Had his resurrection delayed until the light of the first day, this would have been counted as four days, not three.

I have hammered this around enough, I just wanted to clear up what the KJV translation said.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Samuel Owen:
""In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week"

This is what it says in all of my KJV versions. As it began to dawn towards; would indicate it was the eve of the first DAY, (night of the first day.) "

GE:
Correct: "As it began to dawn towards; would indicate it was the eve of the first DAY"!;

WRONG: "(night of the first day.)"!

Collins: "eve" / "even" - "The evening or day before ..."; "evening" -"the latter part of the day ...".
'Evening' developed a modern meaning to indicate the first part of night. That is STILL, miles apart from the next 'morning'!

But read what you have said YOURSELF!: "In the end OF the sabbath, as it began to dawn TO-wards the first day of the week".

'Dawn': When was the 'dawn' of the twenty first century? It was the last part of the twentieth century? Of course it was! 'Dawn' as the part of night BEFORE sunrise, that is 'dawn' of the light-day. That does not correlate with the indifferent division of the 'Bible-day'. The 'Bible-day' begins with sunset, and therefore the dawn of the 24-hour-night-and-daylight-day of Bible-reckoning, is the last part of the day before it, which is the afternoon - the after 12 pm to sunset part - of the previous day.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

You will find other - and older - translations that render, "On the Sabbath!, and "before / towards the First Day". Like the KJV they LITERALLY render the Greek, which is, "opse de sabbahtohn tehi epifohskousehi eis mian (hehmeran) sabbaton". Literally: "In the Sabbath's fulness in its being midst of being light having inclined towards the first day". Yes those 'extra' two words, 'having inclined', are literally implied in the precise Greek of the preposition 'epi', which also means, 'in', like 'in the epicentre' of an earthquake. I have often on this board dealt on the subject. No one could refute me so far.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

But, I would like to go on with some comments on that article you gave us.

I quote Samuel Owen who quoted from “a lot of research on this, including (his) own” --- “This feast commemorated the giving of the Law to Moses on Mt. Sinai. On that day God himself came down in a cloud on Mt. Sinai in fire and smoke and a blast of Gods trumpet, to establish His covenant with His people. This feast was also a prophecy of the coming of the New Covenant which was consummated on the same day, the Day of Pentecost, with a mighty rushing wind, tongues of fire and miraculous demonstrations of the Holy Ghost.”

Dear Samuel Owen, as you can see from my critique above, the Jewish tradition is mistaken in that it places “the giving of the Law to Moses on Mt. Sinai” on “that day God himself came down in a cloud on Mt. Sinai in fire and smoke and a blast of Gods trumpet, to establish His covenant with His people”. “The giving of the Law to Moses”, only came two days after, to show that Mercy comes before Law! God ‘establish His covenant with His people’ in Mercy and Love, first: ‘New Testament theology’! You can be sure a priori legalism will be wrong; who reject Jesus Christ, rejected Truth and knowledge and Life. Unfortunately, Christian Tradition followed Jewish tradition in its error in this matter. But more heart sore is it Christian Tradition has gone one worse, and followed pagan heathen tradition as well in this matter. Vicious accusation? Vicious fact! In ‘fact’? Yes, in fact of having adopted pagan heathen veneration of the astral deity of Sunday and its worship. Galatians 4:10. Let me put it boldly in your eye as in everyone’s: Yes, in fact of having adopted pagan heathen veneration of the astral deity of Sunday and its worship. This “no-god” shall never succumb to Christ! And we are seeing it. That is where Christianity has landed up with its ‘Resurrection-’ and ‘Pentecost-Sunday’ “phantasm-observation-‘paratehrehistheh’”, Galatians 4:10. Sunday-worship was the beginning of the story of Christianity’s aberration from the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I quote Samuel Owen who quoted, “Feast of Trumpets: [Lev. 23:23-25] God commanded Israel to keep a “High Sabbath” on the first day of the seventh month, by blowing a series of trumpets. Although the Scripture does not specify what this feast represents, it possibly looked forward to the fall of Jericho. In the days of Joshua, they were instructed to march around the city of Jericho seven days. Each day the trumpets were blown by the priests, but the people kept silent. On the last day, they marched around the city seven times with the seven priests blowing seven trumpets. When the last trumpet sounded, the people raised a great shout, and the walls of the city fell flat. Is it a coincidence that Paul said we will be raised at the “last trumpet?” [1 Cor. 15:54]. Is it also a coincidence that at the rapture there will be a great “shout?” [1 Thes. 4:16].”

Read my studies, ‘Die Sewende Dag is die Sabbat’, and Paragraph​

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7.1.1.6.1.
Prophetic Elements of Promise

7.1.1.6.1.1.
The Sound of the Trumpet

Prof. Bacchiocchi draws attention to the significance of the sounding of the trumpet for the Sabbath Day by referring to the trumpet of the Year of Jubilee. “A Messianic feature of the Sabbath years can be seen in the trumpet blast by means of a ram’s horn (yobel – from which derives the term “jubilee”).” Bacchiocchi refers to Julian Morgenstern who “maintains that “in all likelihood the ‘great trumpet’ (Is.27:13), a blast from which would inaugurate a new and happier era for conquered and dispersed Israel, was a yobel. All this suggests cogently that the ram’s-horn trumpet was of unusual character, used only upon extraordinary occasions and for particular purpose (cf. Ex.19:13) … This year acquired its name [“Jubilee”] just because this unique, fiftieth year was ushered in by this blast upon the yobel, whereas the commencement of ordinary years was signalised by a blast upon only a shophar (2Sm.15:10; cf. Lv.23:24) (The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible [Nashville, 1962], s. v. “Jubilee, Year of”, vol. 2, p. 1001).” Continues Bacchiocchi, “The imagery of the Jubilee’s trumpet blast is used by Isaiah to describe the Messianic ingathering of the exiles (Is.27:13; cf. Zech. 9:9-14). Possibly the New Testament refers to the same Jubilee’s imagery when it speaks of the trumpet announcing the return of Christ (1Cor.15:52; 1Thess.4:16; Mt.24:31). A third Messianic feature related to the trumpet is the date of Tenth Day of the Seventh Month (Atonement Day) on which the ram’s-horn was blown to inaugurate the year of jubilee (Lv.25:9). It was the cleansing and new moral beginning offered by God to the people on the Day of Atonement (Lv.16:13-19) which inaugurated the Sabbatical release of the Jubilee year. The connection between the Day of Atonement and the Jubilee year was noticed by Rabbis who said: “The Lord would forgive Israel’s debt on the seventh month, which is Tishri, at the blast of the shofar , and just as the Holy One blessed be He had mercy upon Israel in this age at the blast of the shofar, also in the future I will have mercy on you through the shofar and bring your redeemed ones near.” Samuele Bacchiocchi, The Sabbath in the New Testament, p. 59 (Emphasis CGE)

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

From reading chapter 25 of Leviticus it becomes clear that the trumpet is named after the Year of Jubilee, and not the Year after the trumpet. The Year as such is called the “Jubilee”, verses 10 et al, and not the trumpet itself. The verse Bacchiocchi refers to, 25, twice mentions “the trumpet of Jubilee” as the shophar. According to Joshua 6:4 the shophar was a trumpet of “ram’s horn”, used at the invasion of Jericho. When it is said that the yobel was blown, it simply means the trumpet of the Jubilee Year, that is, the shophar of yobel or “judgement”. The same kind of trumpet was used for various purposes and could also have been called, “the trumpet of assembly”, “the trumpet of war”, “the Sabbath’s trumpet”, “the warning trumpet”, to mention but a few “trumpets”.
The trumpet, “blown” as yobel (“judgement”), is mentioned on only two occasions in the Bible, at the giving of the Law at Sinai, Ex.19:13 and at the invasion of Jericho, Joshua 6. The eventual invasion of Jericho happened on the “Seventh Day”. Because “Seventh Day” is the technical appellation for the weekly Sabbath by this time already in Israel’s history, no reason can be imagined why Israel did not invade Jericho on the Sabbath – the Sabbath being the Seventh Day. Had simply the “last” of any seven days been meant, “the last day” it would have been. By mentioning “the Seventh Day” it is made clear that the Sabbath Day is meant. The encircling of the city should have been exhausting work done on the Sabbath. The fact that it was exhausting work does not contradict the conclusion that it is the Sabbath-”Seventh Day” meant here. Israel was compelled to go round the city on a Sabbath whether it was once on any of the seven days or seven times on the Seventh Day. It is an irrelevant matter whether Israel went round the city seven times or once – in principle it was work of the same nature performed on the Sabbath as in any case it would have been. The blowing of the yobel at Sinai andforty years after Sinai on the Sabbath Day, contradicts the limitation of its blowing to the Fiftieth Year of Jubilee. In the case of the fall of Jericho its blowing was of prophetic meaning. The blowing of the shofar indicated the ending of the idolatrous civilisation and introduction of the new beginning of God’s reign there, just as the Christ-era would end the reign of sin and evil and begin the Kingdom of God on earth. At both events the blowing of the yobel is a matter of judgement! It is not the trumpet’s make from ram’s horn or from silver or from whatever material that gives meaning to its blowing. It is the blowing – the event – that makes the trumpet one of significance. “Sound” the trumpet … “clearly” a trumpet of judgement!
It is the blowing that makes the trumpet and not the trumpet that makes the blowing. The shophar is alternatively used with the same meaning and for the same kind of purpose as the silver trumpets, chatsotserah. Silver trumpets (Nmb.10:2) were blown for days dedicated to worship: “And when they shall blow with trumpets all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. … In the day of your gladness, and in your solemn days, and in the beginnings of your months, ye shall blow with your trumpets; over your burnt offerings and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings ye shall blow with your trumpets; that they may be to you for a memorial before your God: I am the Lord your God”. Nmb.10:3, 10 Trumpets were sounded for assembling, for alarm and for war. Nmb.10:3, 7; 5-6; 9 David played before God when he moved the Ark while silver trumpets were blown.1Chr.13-16 They were blown “when the builders laid the foundation of the temple of the Lord”; Esra 3:10 when the temple service was re-organised; Neh.12:35 Psalm 98 mentions the blowing of the silver trumpets and is clearly a “foreseeing” of the Christ-event as Peter proclaimed on the day of Pentecost. “Blow ye the trumpet in Ramah, cry aloud”, Hosea 5:8, fulfilled in Mt.2:18, the slaying of infants, “In Rama was there a voice heard, and weeping and great mourning.” Zephaniahdescribes “The great day of the Lord”, when Christ will return, as when the trumpet shall be heard. 1:16

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

7.1.1.6.1.2.
On the Sabbath

Very significant in this regard is the fact that the silver trumpets were used when the idolatrous reign of Athaliah was ended by coup – on the Sabbath Day! 2Kings11-12
The Fiftieth Year or Year of Jubilee is correctly associated with the Great Day of Atonement-“Sabbath” and with the sounding of the trumpet.
Josephus mentions the trumpet that signified the start and the end of the Sabbath. Only the Sabbath of all single days, is ever associated with the sounding of the trumpet. The co-incidence of the yobel’s sounding for the beginning of the “fiftieth year”, and the“sound from heaven as of a violent wind” on the “fiftieth day” – the Day of the First Bread Wave Offering – is very meaningful. As at Sinai fifty days after entrance into Promised land, the trumpet sounded at Pentecost fifty days after Passover-Sabbath of Friday 15 Nisan 30 AD – on the weekly Sabbath!
The Greek word used for the sounding of the trumpet at “the mount (Sinai) that burnt with fire”, at “blackness, darkness and tempest”, “at the voice of words, which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more for they could not endure …” (Hb.12:19-20), is the same word ehchos, used for the “sound from heaven” that was heard at Pentecost (Acts 2:2). Ehchos is used only four times in the New Testament. Hb.12:19-20 refers to the events at Mount Sinai according to Exodus 20 at the giving of the Law (judgement). Ehchos indicates the Hebrew yobel here. The only other case of the yobel being blown is in Joshua 6 where the fall (judgement) of Jericho – the beginning of the Israel era – is recorded. The similarity between the description of the terrible nature of the events accompanying the sounding as described in Hb.12:19-20 and Joel 2, quoted in Acts 2:19-20 is remarkable! On occasion of Pentecost it was the sound at which “they all were amazed and marvelled” verses 7 and 12, and at which others “mocked”, verse 13, but later, “when they heard this, were pricked in their heart”, verse 37. It was this same sound that the Jews would, three and a half years later, entreat not to hear, Acts 13:45-46! (A Sabbath-event!) In the third instance of the word ehchos’s use it is said that “they were all amazed at the “authority and power with (which Jesus) commanded the unclean spirits” to come out (judgement), and that Jesus’ “fame” – ehchos (the word / sound about Him) “went out into every place”, or, “was sounded in every place”, Lk.4:36-37. This event marked the beginning of Jesus’ ministry! (A Sabbath-event!) The blowing of the yobel went along with terror of judgement and (joys of) new beginnings.
Now in Joel it is commanded: “Blow the trumpet in Zion, sound alarm … let all the inhabitants of the land tremble (at the hearing of the sound or word of it)”, 2:1. Priests were to “blow” the trumpet (Josh.6). “Blow”, from taqa – to blow the “alarm” (Nmb.10, Ez.33:3). The trumpet was “sounded” for war (Judg.7). “The Lord God” shall be the last “to blow the trumpet”, Zech.9:14. It is a trumpet sounded for worship, “blown” also on the New Moon Feasts, Ps.81:3. “When He bloweth a trumpet”, “in that time, the gift (“present”) shall be brought unto the Lord of hosts, of a people scattered and peeled … to the place of the Name of the Lord of hosts,
the mount Zion”, Is.18:7.
The “blowing” of the “sound” of the Joel-prophecy is fulfilled on Pentecost, Acts 2. Also Ethiopia “sent ambassadors”, verses 1-2. Peter could just as well have quoted Isaiah 18 on the day of Pentecost and have said, “This is that which was spoken by the prophet Isaiah”. At the sound of trumpet, Jeremiah calls upon the people for exactly what Peter calls upon them: “Repent! … Repent and be converted”, Acts 2:38, 3:19 Says Jeremiah, “Circumcise yourselves to the Lord, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: Lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench. Declare ye in Judah, and publish ye in Jerusalem, Blow ye the trumpet in the land. Cry, gather together, and say, Assemble yourselves … The sword reaches unto the soul. At that time shall it be said … Behold He shall come … O Jerusalem, wash thine heart from wickedness that thou mayest be saved. … For this shall the earth mourn and the heavens above be black, because I have spoken, I have purposed, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it”. Jer.4 The sound heard at Pentecost undoubtedly resembles the Christ-event in history and the coming of the Lord in judgement, as “foreseen by all the prophets”. “Because I have spoken, I have purposed”. God repented not, neither did He turn back from his Word and Purpose, but accomplished and established in judgement. (I see a definite correlation between Jeremiah 4 and Hebrews 4, and therefore an allusion in Hebrews 4 to the Day of Pentecost – and hence the Sabbath's relevance in Hebrews 4.)
If the sound heard (according to prophecy and promise) had been that of the Sabbath-trumpet, the Sabbath would clearly fit the occasion of Pentecost, Acts 2. Now in Isaiah 58 it is said, “Cry loud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and show my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins” (judgement), and in verse 13 one of their sins is lifted out – desecration of the Sabbath! In chapter 66 the Sabbath is associated with the Feast of New Moon on which the trumpet was blown. The Sabbath-trumpet heard on Pentecost, like the trumpet sounded at the dethronement of Athaliah and at the fall of Jericho, was the work of the Holy Spirit, the Breaker of walls! It was the Word of judgement and the beginning of God’s Purpose in Jesus Christ in creating “a people unto himself”. It was the Preaching of the crucified Jesus Whom God made “both Lord and Christ”. The Sabbath served the occasion and the purpose.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I quote Samuel Owen who quoted, “The Day of Atonement: [Lev. 23:26-32] The Feast of Trumpets is followed by ten days called by modern Jews, “the days of awe.” This is a time of national repentance for Israel. The 10th day of the seventh month is the Day of Atonement. On this day the priest entered the Holy of Holies into the presence of God to sprinkle the blood on the mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant. The Passover clearly represents personal salvation, [each family had their own lamb, and celebrated Passover at home]. But the Day of Atonement represents national salvation for Israel. Only one sacrifice was offered for the whole nation. The Bible makes it clear that at the second coming of Christ, the surviving Jews will look upon Christ and be saved in a day. [cf. Zech. 12:9,10 & 13:1, Rom. 11:25-27, Rev. 1:7] If there is any day on the Jewish calendar which is a prophecy of the second coming of Christ to overthrow the world kingdoms and deliver His people Israel, this is it.”

On this I would advise you to follow the word, ‘Pisidia’ through Book 3, all three parts. Really you will not regret, there is so much about the Acts 13 event it’s unbelievable. For our concern here, see the association and fulfilment of the Day of Atonement on this singular event with ... yes, as would be expected of course ... with the Sabbath Day! And from there draw your own conclusions as to the significance these things have for the Sabbath Day. Is it Biblical? Is the only question. You decide.


Quoting Samuel Owen who quoted, “The Feast of Tabernacles: [Lev. 23:33-43] Five days after the Day of Atonement is the Feast of Tabernacles. From the 15th to the 22nd of the seventh month was a time of the greatest rejoicing. It was the festival of all festivals. Israel was commanded to build tents [tabernacles] and live in them during the feast days. This commemorated how God brought them out of Egypt, through the wilderness into the promised land. Secondly, they were to cut off branches of palm trees and wave them, rejoicing before the Lord. Even the Jews today recognize that the Feast of Tabernacles looks forward to the Kingdom of the Messiah. Zechariah 14:16-21 states clearly that after Christ sets up His Kingdom the people will celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles as a yearly memorial. Also, Revelation 7:9-17 describes the saints who have come through the “great tribulation.” This scene takes place at the inauguration of Christ’s Kingdom. It depicts a grand celebration with the saints waving “palm branches.” Why are they waving palm branches? Obviously they are celebrating the Feast of Tabernacles. The marriage supper will likely take place during this feast, [Isa. 25:6-8].”

Is not the Feast of Tabernacles the most sad and solemn of feasts? Does not its dwelling in tabernacles of leaves remind the Church of its transitoriness, that they are but sojourners in a strange country on trek to the land of promise? Oh the Church that forget they are not that City which hath foundations whose builder and maker is God, yet nor fully? With whom was God grieved? Was it not with them that sinned and to whom God sware that they should not enter into His Rest— to them that believed not, but showed off their unbelief?

Does not the Feast of Tabernacles stay the heart on the Suffering Servant of the LORD en route from the manger to the cross esteeming the reproach of Messiah greater riches than having been found in the form of God? Don’t we –can’t we– see Jesus in the Feast of Tabernacles, the Risen Crucified? How shall I sing the LORD’s song in a strange land if I forget Thee, o Jesus? “Yea, they shall sing in the ways of the LORD: for great is the glory of the LORD. Though the LORD be high, yet hath He respect unto the lowly; but the proud He knoweth afar off. Though I walk in the midst of trouble, Thou wilt revive me: (Read, Christ!) Thou shalt stretch forth thine hand against the wrath of mine enemies, and thy right hand shall save me. The LORD will perfect that which concerneth me: Thy Mercy O LORD, Thou for ever perfect; forsake not the Works of thine own hands.” (Ps137, 138)

What do, the Jews know of the Feast of Tabernacles? Poor souls; they know nothing! But we, the Christian Community? ... but I, who know neither to sing or dance to heart’s aches or joys? Do you see how they throw on the pavement the palm leaves they waved so high? Do you see the First Sheaf Waved Before the LORD? Here is the Message of Tabernacles, “O wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God: through Jesus Christ our Lord!”

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

May we now have a look at the real meaning of the Jewish ‘Channukah’? I quote Samuel Owen who quoted, “There is another day that is celebrated by Israel, Channukah. It begins 75 days after the Day of Atonement [the 25th day of the ninth month - or in our December] and lasts for 8 days. Channukah is not mentioned in the Old Testament, because it began to be celebrated during the period between the Old Testament and New Testament. Basically, it is a celebration of the cleansing of the Temple after the Jews defeated Antiochus Epiphanius. Antiochus was a Syrian King who invaded Jerusalem, defiled the Temple by placing an image of Zeus in the Temple, and offering a pig on the altar. He persecuted the Jewish people terribly, and they began a gorilla resistance against him. Eventually, they recaptured Jerusalem, and immediately set about to cleanse the Temple. So, in essence, this is the celebration of the cleansing and rededication of the Temple to God. It is referred to one time in the New Testament, where Jesus was present in Jerusalem for Channukah.

John 10:22-23
22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.
23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon’s porch. (KJV)
That Channukah is always 75 days after The Day of Atonement may be related to an interesting prophecy in Daniel.
Dan 12:12
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
(KJV)

1,335 days is exactly 75 days more than the 1260 days that Antichrist will reign. So, if the Antichrist is destroyed on the Day of Atonement, then the extra 75 days lands us directly on the first day of Channukah. It seems likely this has to do with the rededication of the Millennial Temple, from which Christ will rule.”

Let me first say I don’t see sense in the time-setting. What’s the use of it? And what’s “the Millennial Temple, from which Christ will rule”? Christ since his resurrection rules from the omnipresent Temple of the Perfect Fellowship of the Father, the Son of God the Son of Man, and the Holy Spirit. God’s Holy Temple and Eternal Dwelling is no tabernacle built with hands, but is the Holy Presence of God with us and we with Him in Jesus Christ: “Behold! I-AM-with-you, always!” until the last day when this God shall tabernacle with men on the new earth through bodily presence with men, our returned Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

“Channukah ... is a celebration of the cleansing of the Temple.” But the cleansing of the Temple is as old as the oldest Feasts of Israel indeed ‘mentioned in the Old Testament’. “Basically” and “in essence” both the major feasts are “the celebration of the cleansing and rededication of the Temple to God”. People will object to my mentioning the Passover in this regard because the Passover was at first celebrated without a temple or tabernacle; which for some time was true, of course. But no sooner than Israel received the tabernacle, the Passover had become a centralised feast of and for the cleansing of the temple and of the People. The real and only reason why the “Channukah is not mentioned in the Old Testament” is because the Biblical Feasts naturally meant the cleansing of both the people and the temple— which is the whole meaning of the concept of ‘atonement’.

The ‘old’ cleansing of the temple received the new appellation of ‘Channukah’ and the individual status as a feast “after the Jews defeated Antiochus Epiphanius” and they “set about to cleanse the Temple” from that abomination of desolation, it is true. Remarkably similar pollution of the temple incurred under the wicked kings of Israel itself, and the most unordinary cleansing of the temple ever was undertaken under king Hezekiah See 2Chr28-30. And just as Antiochus Epiphanius was conquered, was Athaliah the idolatress dethroned and killed for the son-king to be crowned in her place. Most remarkable, is the fact both these temple-cleansings were Sabbath-acts at the command of God, while the cleansing under king Hezekiah is specifically dated Nisan 16, the Day of the First Sheaf Wave Offering Before the LORD! It therefore seems that ‘Channukah’ should have become a Sabbaths’ Feast of Cleansing of the LORD’s Temple and Sanctuary, Jesus Christ in Person in suffering, dying and, resurrection from the dead.

Thought that was remarkable? You shall see even greater things! Now read John 10:22, but don’t go further; go back, and read the whole section concluded with this verse! Don’t read as were this verse the introduction to the verses that follow – it is not. Ignore the paragraph indication in front of this verse; it should come after it. Because this verse 22 is the ending, the peroration, in fact, the key, to the foregoing passage that extends from chapter 9 through to 10:22. Nowhere in between is any sign that the episode that took place and was accordingly recorded was interrupted with another day or any other period of time. This was the Feast of the Cleansing and Dedication of the Temple of God, Jesus Christ in action. We agree. Therefore we should also agree, this was the Sabbath Day, mentioned, in chapter 9.

Most remarkable is Jesus’ calling Himself the Door into the sheepfold — ‘sheepfold’ for ‘sanctuary’, place of safety and rest — on this occasion! Mark how Jesus elaborates on the goings in and goings out into and out of the sheepfold; then compare Ezekiel 43 to 46, e.g., verses like 43:4, 44:5, 46:1. But just look at the idea of holy convocation, ‘Church’, in verses like 46:3 and 44:24 and then read Lamentations 2:16 and 1:10, keeping in mind those godless, temple-polluting kings. Also see the evidence of Sabbath’s rest in Ez46:12, 17, 45:30c; and see the evidence of Nisan 16 First Sheaf Wave Offering Before the LORD in 45:22, “And upon that day”, implying, actually intending, ‘upon’ in sequence, that is, ‘after’ the First Month its fourteenth day, its fifteenth day, day of Unleavened Bread Feast, and “upon / after that day” its fifteenth day, “seven days” of unleavened bread; then ‘after / upon’ – intended - the sixteenth day of the First Month— “The day after the sabbath from the day that ye bought the sheaf”, Lv23:15. “Now when the prince shall prepare a voluntary burnt offering or peace offerings voluntarily (“He offered up Himself”, Hb7:27c.) unto the Lord, shall then open (to) him the gate ... then He shall go forth”, Ez46:12, truly signifying the First Sheaf Waved Before the LORD in resurrection from the dead!

Which all is the “Cleansing of the Sanctuary”, “finished” on Nisan 16, according to 2Chr29! No doubt, in my mind, in Jesus Christ, through Jesus Christ, once for all, “In Sabbath’s fullness in the being light of Sabbath’s inclining towards the First Day of the week”— Mt28:1.

You show me anything vaguely the like with regard to the First Day of the week!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The Thursday Crucifixion – Sunday Resurrection Theory

Tu/Wed……Wed/Thu………………Thu/Frid……………Frid/Sat……………Sat/Sun……
C………………S………/…Cr…………BS………/………………S………/………………S………/……Res
…………………S1……/……………….…S2……/……….………S3……/………………S4……/5…????

Described by two writers on this thread: "junk"; "most ridiculous, contrived, mismash"

Any further descriptions or comments?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Samuel Owen
"In the Sabbath" and "towards the First Day" -- Which translation is this from? It’s certainly not from the KJV. "In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week"; This is what it says in all of my KJV versions.

As it began to dawn towards; would indicate it was the eve of the first DAY, (night of the first day.) Jesus’ final night, completing the three nights. Had his resurrection delayed until the light of the first day, this would have been counted as four days, not three.

I have hammered this around enough, I just wanted to clear up what the KJV translation said.




GE
You have, and you did not, “clear up what the KJV translation said”.

This is how you did clear up what it says,
“As it began to dawn towards; would indicate it was the eve of the first DAY, (night of the first day)...”

And this is how you again have confused everything: “Jesus’ final night, completing the three nights ... Had his resurrection delayed until the light of the first day, this would have been counted as four days, not three.”

Step by step:
“As it began to dawn towards would indicate it was the eve of the first DAY, (night of the first day)...” Correct! A bit more by definition: ‘As it began to dawn towards would indicate it was the eve of the First-Day in fact the eve of the night of the First Day.’ (In other words, the last part of the day before the First Day which part of the Seventh Day was “the eve of the First-Day”), which First Day of the week would begin after sunset and with the immediately following ‘evening-first-part-of-the-First-Day’.

‘Jesus’ final night, completing the three nights’, had had been what we call, Friday night, the first half of the Sabbath Day. One cannot divide one day of the Bible’s reckoning and count its two parts for two separate days. Therefore, “as it began to dawn towards the First Day”— KJV— it indicated it was the ‘eve’ or ‘dawn’ of both the First Day and, its night-beginning, ‘evening’. ... Delayed his resurrection until the First Day or just until its night-beginning with sunset, this would have been counted as four days, not three, irrespective.