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freeatlast

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HAMel said:
FAL, what part of the Romans' Friday beginning at 6 PM on Thursday evening not translate to three days if Jesus arose on a Sunday Morning. To us, our Thursday, (which was their Friday) our Friday, (which was their Saturday) and our Saturday, (which was their Sunday).

Going by their time keeping Jesus didn't rise up until Monday.

This is so easy.
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Yes if we turn off our brains it is easy, but you need to read what is true.

Dr. Charles Halff, Director of the Christian Jew Foundation, in writing "The Fallacies of Easter" states;
Sometimes people ask, 'Didn't the Jews count part of a day as a whole day or part of a night as a whole night?' Let me say this, beloved. Whenever you have the expression 'day and night' mentioned together in the Hebrew Scriptures, it always means a full day and a full night. For instance, if you will turn to Esther 4:16; 5:1; 1 Samuel; 30:12-13, and of course Jonah 1:17, you will find the expression 'three days and three nights.' And in every instance it means full days and full nights - not part of a day and part of a night."
 
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HAMel

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Okay FAL, tell when you plan to recognize Easter. Sunday, or on Monday?

Otherwise, I'm done with this thread. It's in a loop with no end in sight.
 
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freeatlast

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HAMel said:
Okay FAL, tell when you plan to recognize Easter. Sunday, or on Monday?

Otherwise, I'm done with this thread. It's in a loop with no end in sight.
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I am not sure why you asked me between Sunday or Monday, as I am not sure why anyone would celebrate the Lord's resurrection on Monday. I celebrate the Lord's resurrection on Sunday like the rest of the church, but I also do so with the understanding that His resurrection took place before the claim of an early Sunday morning.
So what I am saying I celebrate the One resurrected, not the day and seek to teach the correct times of events leading up to the correct resurrection day.
 
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Alcott said:
Give us the ordinal number of the day he rose, based on the beginning of the day he was crucified.
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I am not sure myself because I am not sure the day of the ordinal number could be the same if you are speaking of in/on the third day being the same as after three days.

However it is a great question.
 
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freeatlast said:
I am not sure why you asked me between Sunday or Monday, as I am not sure why anyone would celebrate the Lord's resurrection on Monday. I celebrate the Lord's resurrection on Sunday like the rest of the church, but I also do so with the understanding that His resurrection took place before the claim of an early Sunday morning.
So what I am saying I celebrate the One resurrected, not the day and seek to teach the correct times of events leading up to the correct resurrection day.
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I am not sure you can find anyone in the present day canon of the word that celebrated the resurrection so in reality that does not matter. Easter ( The feast of the Lords resurrection) progressed from something that stated "ye do show the Lords death til he comes" to what it is presently, not by scripture.
 
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thegospelgeek

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OK. Hold on now ! This is REALLY complicated. Pay cloase attention. Humor me a pretend that jesus was crucified on Friday and rose on Sunday. I know it's hard, but just play along for a bit.

Now what was the FIRST day Jesus died? Thursday, no. Saturday, no. Friday. Ding Ding. I know you do not agree but just play along.

Next step. What was the second day. Satuday. Now you are catching on!

OK now the big Theological step that I spent years of study and training to understand, spent a small fortune in Educational expenses and nearly flunked out.

What would be the third day? OK Friday=first, Saturday=second, OHHHH my brain hurts but I'll guess Sunday.

Now it works backwards the say way.

OOps I forgot scripture.

From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
(Mat 16:21)
And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.
(Mat 17:23)
And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.
(Mat 20:19)
Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.
(Mat 27:64)
For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.
(Mar 9:31)
And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.
(Mar 10:34)
Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.
(Luk 9:22)
And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.
(Luk 13:32)
And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
(Luk 18:33)
Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
(Luk 24:7)
But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
(Luk 24:21)
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
(Luk 24:46)
Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
(Act 10:40)
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
(1Co 15:4)
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thegospelgeek

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To be perfectly honest I could care less what day he died. Same thing as how many wise men or how old was Jesus when the magi came. Every Easter at least 5 people bring thi8s up and every Christmas the others. All this along with the evils of Easter Eggs and Christmas trees. Beleive what you want, divide the days however you beleive is correct, but know that he rose on the third day like scripture says.
 
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freeatlast

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thegospelgeek said:
OK. Hold on now ! This is REALLY complicated. Pay cloase attention. Humor me a pretend that jesus was crucified on Friday and rose on Sunday. I know it's hard, but just play along for a bit.

Now what was the FIRST day Jesus died? Thursday, no. Saturday, no. Friday. Ding Ding. I know you do not agree but just play along.

Next step. What was the second day. Satuday. Now you are catching on!

OK now the big Theological step that I spent years of study and training to understand, spent a small fortune in Educational expenses and nearly flunked out.

What would be the third day? OK Friday=first, Saturday=second, OHHHH my brain hurts but I'll guess Sunday.

Now it works backwards the say way.

OOps I forgot scripture.
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I see why you nearly flunked. Scripture says three days and three nights and you cannot get that out of your formula.
 
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freeatlast

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thegospelgeek said:
To be perfectly honest I could care less what day he died. Same thing as how many wise men or how old was Jesus when the magi came. Every Easter at least 5 people bring thi8s up and every Christmas the others. All this along with the evils of Easter Eggs and Christmas trees. Beleive what you want, divide the days however you beleive is correct, but know that he rose on the third day like scripture says.
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if you don't care why are you reading and posting? Those who seek the truth care.
 
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thegospelgeek

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freeatlast said:
I see why you nearly flunked. Scripture says three days and three nights and you cannot get that out of your formula.
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Take a look at the number of time it says third day and then search on the 3 days and 3 nights. Without doing a search myself the numbers are very slanted. I know one place that Mark says 3 days, jesus reference to 3 days is mentioned along with a statement like 'As johnah was in the belly of the whale'. Since this reference can be somewhat vague and many Scholars feel that Marks staement should be translated as "on the third day" and there are many scriptures that refer to "the third day" and since 'on the third day" and after 3 days can not be the same. I lean towards the "on the tihrd day".
 
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freeatlast

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thegospelgeek said:
I'm bored. Sorry for being so brash. I apologize. It was rude of me.

But after 3 days and "on the third day" can not be equivelent terms. We must choose one or the other
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Dr. Charles Halff, Director of the Christian Jew Foundation, in writing "The Fallacies of Easter" states;
Sometimes people ask, 'Didn't the Jews count part of a day as a whole day or part of a night as a whole night?' Let me say this, beloved. Whenever you have the expression 'day and night' mentioned together in the Hebrew Scriptures, it always means a full day and a full night. For instance, if you will turn to Esther 4:16; 5:1; 1 Samuel; 30:12-13, and of course Jonah 1:17, you will find the expression 'three days and three nights.' And in every instance it means full days and full nights - not part of a day and part of a night."
 
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stilllearning

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Hello thegospelgeek

You said..........
“To be perfectly honest I could care less what day he died. Same thing as how many wise men or how old was Jesus when the magi came.”
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Interesting.

So I guess if your Church held a Christmas play, and showed the angels & the shepherds & the magi, all coming to Jesus on the same night, you wouldn’t mind?
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What I see here is simply a disrespect for Scripture.
 
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freeatlast said:
Dr. Charles Halff, Director of the Christian Jew Foundation, in writing "The Fallacies of Easter" states;
Sometimes people ask, 'Didn't the Jews count part of a day as a whole day or part of a night as a whole night?' Let me say this, beloved. Whenever you have the expression 'day and night' mentioned together in the Hebrew Scriptures, it always means a full day and a full night. For instance, if you will turn to Esther 4:16; 5:1; 1 Samuel; 30:12-13, and of course Jonah 1:17, you will find the expression 'three days and three nights.' And in every instance it means full days and full nights - not part of a day and part of a night."
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Do you work for this guy? You've run this quote four times.
 
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freeatlast

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Arbo said:
Do you work for this guy? You've run this quote four times.
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It seems that some cannot or do not read or have a short memory. The post is no doubt a problem as it throws a rock into the Friday crucifixion, but it is also evidence that needs to be presented over and over as some cannot hear. I can get several other Jewish scholars to confirm this if you like, but they say the same thing.
Thank you for asking.
 
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freeatlast said:
It seems that some cannot or do not read or have a short memory. The post is no doubt a problem as it throws a rock into the Friday crucifixion, but it is also evidence that needs to be presented over and over as some cannot hear. I can get several other Jewish scholars to confirm this if you like, but they say the same thing.
Thank you for asking.
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Not that I agree with you (for I do not), but I would be interested to know who these other scholars are that you mention.
 
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