Retracing the Women visits to the tomb on Resurrection.

[vooks]

This is Gerhard's attempt at harmonizing the resurrection accounts from this thread

Condensed:

Visits at the tomb “on the First Day”:-

1) “Mary sees the stone removed”, “while being early darkness still”, dusk. Then Peter and John go to the tomb to see what Mary has told them. (Jn20:1-10)

2) “Earliest morning- darkness”, just after midnight, “the two women” (variant – the two Marys), “and certain others with them”, for the first time, “came to the sepulchre, bringing the spices they had prepared”. (Lk24:1) “They returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things to the eleven and to all the rest.” (“Then Peter stood up and ran to the tomb; and bending low over, he saw the linen clothes. He went back, wandering by himself about that what had happened.” (Lk24:9-12) Cf. John's account in 20:1-10. I can't say Luke talks of another visit by Peter, but it seems true because Luke doesn't mention John.)

3) These women to make sure, a second time came to the tomb “very early before sunrise”. (Mk16:2)

4) Mary from after the others had fled in fear (Mk16:8)
“had had stood without at the grave” (Jn20:11). At the time a gardener should begin work, about sunrise, Jesus “early … first appeared to Mary”. (Mk16:9)

5) Soon after – after they a third time have visited the tomb and “the angel explained” to them what had happened during the Resurrection – Jesus appears to the other women “as they went to tell his disciples”. (Mt28:5, 9)
Mary went to the tomb, three times, Jn20:1, Lk24:1, Mk16:2, and Mk16:9 when she “had remained standing behind” until, Jn20:11, Jesus appeared to her, “first”, Mk16:9, and alone, “at the grave”, Jn20:16.
The other women also went to the tomb, three times, Lk24:1, Mk16:2, and Mt28:5 when “the angel explained” to them what had happened during the Resurrection, and Jesus, as “they went to tell his disciples”, appeared to them. (Mt28:5, 9)
The answer to the ‘Easter enigma’ (John Wenham) is simple: Each Gospel contributed to the whole with one of several sources; each added a personal part that, put together, will bring the whole story of the Resurrection into proper perspective.
Tradition – that is, the Sunday-resurrection approach – makes of these several stories of several visits, the one and simultaneous occasion of Jesus’ resurrection. Contradictions, discrepancies and total confusion are the inevitable result! It was bad enough that this ‘solution’ to a self-created ‘riddle’ was ever offered just to protect Sunday’s presumed status of being the day of the Resurrection. It became a comedy of tragic proportions when Sunday-protagonists began to defend their presumptuousness through unlawful improvements on the Scriptures.
JOHN 20:1,2 sets all visits to the tomb in motion:
“The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early of dark yet [dusk / evening--'proh-i skotias eti ousehs'], unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.”

Vooks:
GE:

After sunset and night has set in, Mary had for the first time witnessed the stone rolled away from the tomb in the dusk. John 20:1,2

<<Some 6 hours or so>> later just after midnight she had seen the rolled away stone again, before she and the other women went into the tomb. Luke 24:1-3.

Some 3 hours or so after, she and some companions “looked up the stone again” for the third time that night, some 3 hours “very early before sunrise” on Sunday morning. And she must have wondered “as the women were speaking among themselves, saying, Who would roll the stone away for us it is so BIG!?” Mark 16:2,3.

What is it that you cannot understand?

This is what Gerhard thinks of his 'harmony'

IThe synopsis is COMPLETE and contains every word and verse in all the Gospels at the relevant <verses>.

 

[vooks]

Assuming we agree with Gerhard.
Observations
1. Mary Magdalene accompanied the women to the tomb in at least two of the three trips of Mark 16:1 and Luke 24:1
2. The interval between the first and second of the trips was ~3 hours with the first one at ~midnight. We can place the third and last trip around 0600H
3. All the trips had one purpose; to anoint the body of Jesus Christ so they came with the spices
4. In ALL the three trips, they found the stone rolled away, and encountered/met angel(s) who informed them that Jesus had resurrected and that they should tell this to the other disciples.
5. Mary Magdalene had made a lone trip to the tomb before the women, found the tomb open and she reported this to Pster and John

 

[vooks]

Questions to Gerhard;
1. What is the PURPOSE of the last two visits ?
The women visit the tomb, are perplexed by the empty tomb, and angel or Angels tell them Jesus is risen and sends them off to inform this to the disciples, only for them to return a few hours later with spices to anoint Jesus' body

Here is what Gerhard thinks

3) These women to make sure, a second time came to the tomb “very early before sunrise”. (Mk16:2)

They made two other trips 'to make sure'
Apparently, an empty tomb and a resurrection message from angels was not enough

2. Mark is the second trip for the women and also for Mary. Why were they worried about the stone seeing three hours earlier they had visited the tomb and found the stone rolled away?
Mark 16:3-4 (KJV)
And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? 4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great

In responding to #1 and #2, Gerhard should bear in mind that on the first trip of Luke, something happened;
Luke 24:9 (KJV)
And they remembered his words,
The women remembered how Jesus had told them he would suffer,,be killed and resurrect. But despite remembering, they troop to the tomb two more times to anoint Jesus' body

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Questions to Gerhard;
1. What is the PURPOSE of the last two visits ?
The women visit the tomb, are perplexed by the empty tomb, and angel or Angels tell them Jesus is risen and sends them off to inform this to the disciples, only for them to return a few hours later with spices to anoint Jesus' body

FALSE!

Quote me stating or even implying or so much as suggesting the women
1) <<<visit the tomb>>> at the before-last --that is, the ninth-- visit. You LIE.
2) <<<are perplexed by the empty tomb at the before-last --that is, the ninth-- visit. You LIE.

You LIE unless you are referring to my 'condensed' visits by only the women.

And if you are referring to the women's visits only, you are STILL LYING, claiming I said or created the impression that an <<<angel or Angels tell them Jesus is risen and sends them off to inform this to the disciples, only for them to return a few hours later with spices to anoint Jesus' body>>>. None of this happened during any or both of the last two visits by women.

It is not that you don't have a clue of what I'm saying. You know exactly what I have been saying all the time. You purposely misrepresent me and what I write, hoping to make a fool out of me. But carry on, like you have been doing right here and everywhere.

We will see. Because --I'm saying to you for the second time now-- God Almighty does not sleep nor does He slumber.

Be warned.

 

[vooks]

FALSE!

Quote me stating or even implying or so much as suggesting the women
1) <<<visit the tomb>>> at the before-last --that is, the ninth-- visit. You LIE.
2) <<<are perplexed by the empty tomb at the before-last --that is, the ninth-- visit. You LIE.

You LIE unless you are referring to my 'condensed' visits by only the women.

And if you are referring to the women's visits only, you are STILL LYING, claiming I said or created the impression that an <<<angel or Angels tell them Jesus is risen and sends them off to inform this to the disciples, only for them to return a few hours later with spices to anoint Jesus' body>>>. None of this happened during any or both of the last two visits by women.

It is not that you don't have a clue of what I'm saying. You know exactly what I have been saying all the time. You purposely misrepresent me and what I write, hoping to make a fool out of me. But carry on, like you have been doing right here and everywhere.

We will see. Because --I'm saying to you for the second time now-- God Almighty does not sleep nor does He slumber.

Be warned.

You Boer fool,
Facts
1. You claim there are three visits by the women to the tomb

The other women also went to the tomb, three times, Lk24:1, Mk16:2, and Mt28:5

2. You claim the FIRST one is recorded in Luke

2) “Earliest morning- darkness”, just after midnight, “the two women” (variant – the two Marys), “and certain others with them”, for the first time, “came to the sepulchre, bringing the spices they had prepared”. (Lk24:1) “They returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things to the eleven and to all the rest.”

Since there are THREE recorded visits to the tomb by the women, obviously the second and the third visit must be those referred outside Luke, that is in Matthew and Mark.

Now you moron,
Both Matthew and Mark have angel(s) at the tomb talking to the women who have visited.

So even if you never said they met Angels, scriptures tell us EACH of the women's trip there were angels. But you insisted they met angels

Condensed:
5) Soon after – after they a third time have visited the tomb and “the angel explained” to them what had happened during the Resurrection – Jesus appears to the other women “as they went to tell his disciples”. (Mt28:5, 9)

The other women also went to the tomb, three times, Lk24:1, Mk16:2, and Mt28:5 when “the angel explained” to them what had happened during the Resurrection, and Jesus, as “they went to tell his disciples”, appeared to them. (Mt28:5, 9)

Question
Where was this angel that 'explained' to them?
The angel was AT THE TOMB
So they met an angel on their THIRD. trip by your own admission but you are now denying.

Either you are a lunatic who does not know what they are doing, or you are senile. I'd hate to think you are neither and that you are lying because I have exposed you!

 

[vooks]

The other women also went to the tomb, three times, Lk24:1, Mk16:2, and Mt28:5 when “the angel explained” to them what had happened during the Resurrection, and Jesus, as “they went to tell his disciples”, appeared to them. (Mt28:5, 9)

So they went THREE times?

Let's look at Luke
Luke 24:4(KJV)
And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining
These are angels but no message to the disciples. Still, the women go and tell the disciples all these things


Let's go to Mark
Mark 16:5,7 (KJV)
And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted......7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you

And finally Matthew
Matthew 28:5,7(KJV)
And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified......And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.

So, on ALL Gerhard's visits to the tomb by women, the scriptures tell us there were angel(s).and in his last two of Mark and Matthew, the Angels instructs them to tell the disciples

But he as usual in his antiChrist posture is rejecting scriptures, saying it is not so.

FALSE!
And if you are referring to the women's visits only, you are STILL LYING, claiming I said or created the impression that an <<<angel or Angels tell them Jesus is risen and sends them off to inform this to the disciples, only for them to return a few hours later with spices to anoint Jesus' body>>>. None of this happened during any or both of the last two visits by women.

Gerhard is a heretic!:tonofbricks:

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Here is what Gerhard thinks

They made two other trips 'to make sure'
Apparently, an empty tomb and a resurrection message from angels was not enough

2. Mark is the second trip for the women and also for Mary. Why were they worried about the stone seeing three hours earlier they had visited the tomb and found the stone rolled away?
Mark 16:3-4 (KJV)
And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? 4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great

In responding to #1 and #2, Gerhard should bear in mind that on the first trip of Luke, something happened;
Luke 24:9 (KJV)
And they remembered his words,
The women remembered how Jesus had told them he would suffer,,be killed and resurrect. But despite remembering, they troop to the tomb two more times to anoint Jesus' body

Exactly. You see, you do understand what the Scriptures say.

The women's experience at and after the Luke 24 visit answered no question of theirs. The two angel had told them that Jesus had raised but the women believed it as much as the men did. THEY STILL UNDERSTOOD NOTHING. THEY NEVER HAVE BELIEVED ANYTHING at that stage.

But let two angels tell Vooks what they told the women and Vooks would believe so firmly he'd forget it and go home and sleep as if nothing happened. Vooks would believe and worry no further. Those women --Vooks would show them what it is to be a Christian. Why did they not believe the angels, the unbelievers! Why needed they to go to the tomb yet another time? <<<The women remembered how Jesus had told them he would suffer,,be killed and resurrect. But despite remembering, they troop to the tomb two more times to anoint Jesus' body>>>

Then Vooks' cover-up icing and cherry LIE on top: <<<two more times to anoint Jesus' body>>>.

Who said that but Vooks the liar!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

You Boer fool,
Facts
1. You claim there are three visits by the women to the tomb


2. You claim the FIRST one is recorded in Luke



Since there are THREE recorded visits to the tomb by the women, obviously the second and the third visit must be those referred outside Luke, that is in Matthew and Mark.

Now you moron,
Both Matthew and Mark have angel(s) at the tomb talking to the women who have visited.

So even if you never said they met Angels, scriptures tell us EACH of the women's trip there were angels. But you insisted they met angels [Sic. GE]


Question
Where was this angel that 'explained' to them?
The angel was AT THE TOMB
So they met an angel on their THIRD. trip by your own admission but you are now denying.

Either you are a lunatic who does not know what they are doing, or you are senile. I'd hate to think you are neither and that you are lying because I have exposed you!

First, learn the difference between ONE woman and more than one WOMEN.

I think that will be all that's necessary to answer every question you might have had to ask, and RETURN EVERY INSULT you have found necessary to hurl around like babies' brains splashed against tree trunks.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

So they went THREE times?

Let's look at Luke
Luke 24:4(KJV)
And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining
These are angels but no message to the disciples. Still, the women go and tell the disciples all these things


Let's go to Mark
Mark 16:5,7 (KJV)
And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted......7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you

And finally Matthew
Matthew 28:5,7(KJV)
And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified......And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.

So, on ALL Gerhard's visits to the tomb by women, the scriptures tell us there were angel(s).and in his last two of Mark and Matthew, the Angels instructs them to tell the disciples

But he as usual in his antiChrist posture is rejecting scriptures, saying it is not so.



Gerhard is a heretic!

I may be deemed a heretic. It doesn't change a iota or tittle of what IS WRITTEN. . . written in Scripture, or, written by myself.

Now quote me denying that there were two angels in Luke 24:1-4;
quote me denying there was an angel in Mark 16:2-8;
quote me denying "the angel explained to the women" in Matthew 28:5-10.

You cannot because you're a fraud. And you're a liar because here you have placed all proof needed that prove you one.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I'm stopping my conversation with you, Vooks, right here and now, because I became convinced that you need psychiatric help. Please, I say this in all sincerity, go and see your pastor and your psychiatrist.

I hope that if we meet again, you will be better.

Gerhard Ebersoehn

 

[vooks]

I'm stopping my conversation with you, Vooks, right here and now, because I became convinced that you need psychiatric help. Please, I say this in all sincerity, go and see your pastor and your psychiatrist.

I hope that if we meet again, you will be better.

Gerhard Ebersoehn

I have better chances engaging a satanist than a serial liar with 40 years of experience in stupidity

 

[vooks]

First, learn the difference between ONE woman and more than one WOMEN.

I think that will be all that's necessary to answer every question you might have had to ask, and RETURN EVERY INSULT you have found necessary to hurl around like babies' brains splashed against tree trunks.

You are a sick man, you have memory loss. See a doctor and repent your blasphemies. Hell is real son

 

[vooks]

The gospel according to one heretic Boer

The women troop to the tomb at midnight to anoint Jesus body (Luke 24). They find the tomb empty and an angel appears and tells the, that Jesus is risen. They return and share this with the Eleven. Three hours later they are back to anoint the body. An angel appears and tells them that Jesus is risen and they should go and tell this to the disciples. The women full of fear run back and tell nobody. Three hours later, they return to anoint the same body. An angel appears to them the third time and tells them Jesus is risen, sends them back to share wthus with the disciples. On their way back, they run into the Risen Lord.

Why does the admin admit heretics on this board?