I started it and sent you an invite... Who else wants to come?... Let me know... Its called Revelation... A Learning Experience!... Brother Glen
Btw... JasonF you started the OP you want an invite too!
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I started it and sent you an invite... Who else wants to come?... Let me know... Its called Revelation... A Learning Experience!... Brother Glen
Btw... JasonF you started the OP you want an invite too!
What nonsense ! T
he fact that no man ever sat in the temple as God before it was destroyed nullifies all that.
Yet more hooey. There's no mention of diadems vs. crowns.
Strange, coming outta a man who doesn't believe the 5 fallen kings of Rev. 17:10 are dynasties/kingdoms. You change the meaning to fit your guesswork. And while spme popes had great power in the past, none ever ruled the world, & Henry VIII broke their power in England & they went downhill after that. today, many RCs don't fully obey the pope, more & more priests are marrying, & nuns are becoming an endangered species of penguin. Read it for yourself.
It was wrong then & is still wrong now. Again, Scripture says "MAN"(SINGULAR), not plural "men". Who do you believe, Waldensians, or Scripture ?
You should sit down & STUDY YOUR BIBLE ALONE & ignore those Pret boox!
It's a preterist guess, trying to justify their false doctrine. They remind me of KJVOs, inventing fantasies, trying to justify their false doctrine, which TOTAL LACK OF SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT, even from the KJV itself, renders false. The total lack of HISTORICAL SUPPORT renders preterism false.
The Temple is the Church.
1Corr 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
1Corr 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
2Corr 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
1 Peter 2:4Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture,
Isaiah 48:26 Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: “Behold, I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation, A tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation.
Christ is the cornerstone and the members of His body are the building blocks.
2Thess 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
What is called God in the Catholic church? The consecrated wafer which the priest elevates as God and the people worship it. The Pope exalts himself above that "god" when he sits on the high altar.
That is why practically every church for 800 years have recognised the Pope as Antichrist that is until the Jesuits muddied the waters and in the last 200 years, their teaching gradually infiltrated the protestant church. But that became a torrent in the last 120 years since the Scofield bible, and now it has become the dominant theory, but not so much over here. In Independent Baptists I don't know of any that do, not here in the southeast at least.
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Revelation 7:9-14 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, saying: “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom, Thanksgiving and honor and power and might, Be to our God forever and ever. Amen.” Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?” And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
This tribulation was on believers during the reign of Rome pagan and Rome papal.
He didn't.
Matthew 23:38-39 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
After the temple was left desolate, the next time the Jews would see him was when he returned in Glory. Same as in Matthew 24
This tribulation was on believers during the reign of Rome pagan and Rome papal.
He didn't.
Matthew 23:38-39 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
After the temple was left desolate, the next time the Jews would see him was when he returned in Glory. Same as in Matthew 24
You are really ignorant as well as extremely rude. I will give you another invitation. Come to England an join my daughter's English class held in our church, she uses the bible you can use KJV, NKJV, NIV, OR Spanish, French, Ukranian, every Thursday morning.
RIGHT. We use King, as a singular, but in fact it is a dynasty, you use President as a singular although it is a dynasty. Same as the man of sin.
Explain to me from Daniel 7 how my understanding is is wrong. Remember the terrible beast is the 4th kingdom, Rome. Revelation has to fit into that. The historical teaching does and Futurism and preterism don't. Historicism is the only teaching that goes through history till today, it as also the only system of interpretation not invented by Jesuits, or based on their teaching. It can also be proved by history unveiling it. Futurism cannot as it is all based on human assumptions. They keep changing like JW prophecies.
Am I included in bigots?
No! You'll be invited!
What historical support does Futurism have? None. It can't do because it believes that it is all in the future saying that the book of Revelation doesn't concern the Christians but only the
Jews.
But the book was written to who? To the seven churches, representing the entire church through the ages.
Revelation 1:4-6 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
The historical teaching has sustained and comforted the saints and martyrs throughout history. What martyrs has Futurism comforted? None because it can't. It says it doesn't concern you.
Amo 3:7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. The lion hath roared, who will not fear the Lord God hath spoken.
How many martyrs has the US had.? I know the Inquisition came to south and central America. There are photos of skeletons who were walled up alive in Mexico by the Inquisition in The City of the Seven Hills by Henry Grattan Guinness 1891. A history of Rome in the form of a poem, with expkanations. Available as a reprint on Amazon from about $12 for the paper back version. Or you may find a PDF to download. Try Google Books.
Jeremiah 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
Don't be like the Jews, look for the old paths.
Don't be like the Jews, look for the old paths.
Both Jesus and paul were referring to a PHYSICAL temple.
As I said earlier, no one ever sat in the old temple in Jerusalem & claimed to be God. You can't show differently. So 2 Thess.2:4 will be fulfilled in a future temple the Jews will build in Jerusalem.
He hasn't yet returned in glory as He said.. If you think He has, please show us when & where.
I use the Bible too, not the KJV. I use the NKJV, NASV, & ESV. And why should I go to England when I'm an American, one of the people who twice saved England from Germany. We speak AMERICAN English, while Australians speak Australian English, etc. But yet all English-using nations can understand each others' speech.
And Britain has had several dynasties, such as the Plantagenets, Tudors, Stuarts, etc.
And remember, God told David through Nathan that his dynasty will never end, that He wouldn't end it as He did Saul's.
You're trying to change the meanings of certain words to fit your false preterist myth.
...true to form, the bird of robyprophet dumps on the thread.
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Why, futurism has plenty of support. Scripture says certain things will happen; history shows many of them have not. For example, Jesus said, in Matt. 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
I asked that, if you believe this event has already occurred, when did it occur, and no pret can answer. Instead, they make up all kinds of goofy excuses, such as, "It was figurative/symbolic", etc. Wanna try to provide a REAL answer?
Matt. 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His d]">[d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Wanna tell us when those events occurred?
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