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[Michael Wrenn]

And did he live? He was a Pharisee.
He died. He died physically, and no doubt spiritually.

You don't love the Lord with all your heart, soul, strength, and my mind.
No person can.
Take for example "strength." Every ounce of strength, every muscle you have, giving your all, all the time, are you doing that for the Lord? No, it is evident that you are not.
Your "mind". Have you control over every thought that comes through your mind--never an angry word or even thought? Never a false accusation? Never an "idle word," as Jesus said.

2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
--Do you bring into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ? I don't believe you do. Many of them show up here.

If you loved your neighbor as your self you would go to the starving and feed them as yourself.
You would go to those in poverty and see that they are clothed for they can't afford to clothe themselves adequately.
Most of all you would go to the unreached nations of the world and tell them of Jesus because they have never heard of him before--if you love your neighbor as yourself.
Of course if you are a hyper-Calvinist, then you don't have to tell them, God will elect them and they will get saved in God's time, in God's way, and without your help. But, quite frankly, I don't think that is biblical teaching.

I have to agree with you on these things.

 

[Moriah]

I have to agree with you on these things.

Michael,
So what that you agree with DHK, does that make me wrong? No, it does not.[false accusation deleted] Ask DHK what he thinks of your agreement with him when you do not even believe it pleased God to bruise Jesus.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

Michael,
So what that you agree with DHK, does that make me wrong? No, it does not. You do not even believe Jesus died for your sins. Ask DHK what he thinks of your agreement with him when you do not even believe it was God's will to crush Jesus.

You know, you're really a piece of work, aren't you? And yet you want us to believe you have achieved sinless perfection? What a joke! You have just provided evidence that you have not by mischaracterizing my belief -- and that's a kind way of putting it.

I have defended you on here, but I won't make that mistake again. Do you always try to deflect and smear someone to try to keep yourself from looking bad? It ain't working.

 

[Moriah]

You know, you're really a piece of work, aren't you? And yet you want us to believe you have achieved sinless perfection? What a joke! “

Where have I said that, [edit]

You have just provided evidence that you have not by mischaracterizing my belief -- and that's a kind way of putting it.

You have said that you do not believe that it pleased God to bruise Jesus. Are you denying that?

I have defended you on here, but I won't make that mistake again. Do you always try to deflect and smear someone to try to keep yourself from looking bad? It ain't working.

Who are you trying to kid? You are the one who came on here agreeing with DHK for going against me! You attack me and do not like it when I defend myself, well too bad.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

Where have I said that, false accuser?

You have said that you do not believe that it pleased God to bruise Jesus. Are you denying that?

Who are you trying to kid? You are the one who came on here agreeing with DHK for going against me! You attack me and do not like it when I defend myself, well too bad.

You can report me for this, and I may get a warning, but you [personal attack edited]

I told DHK I agreed with his statements on sin. That had nothing to do -- nothing -- with whether he was going against you, or anyone else. Get it?

 

[Moriah]

You can report me for this,

I told DHK I agreed with his statements on sin. That had nothing to do -- nothing -- with whether he was going against you, or anyone else. Get it?

I did report you. I hope that others reading will report you too.

DHK was speaking to me about me, and you agreed with him. DHK is not God and cannot speak for everyone, as he claims he can. DHK said, “You” don't love the Lord with all your heart, soul, strength, and my mind.

Now try to control yourself with your foul mouth.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

I did report you. I hope that others reading will report you too.

DHK was speaking to me about me, and you agreed with him. DHK is not God and cannot speak for everyone, as he claims he can. DHK said, “You” don't love the Lord with all your heart, soul, strength, and my mind.

Now try to control yourself with your foul mouth.

And I'll be reporting you for slandering me.

Try to get this into your head: I agreed with DHK's views of sin, not anything he said about you. Is that too hard to comprehend?

Nothing foul came out of my mouth; I only stated fact.

Now I'll go hit the "report" button.

 

[Moriah]

And I'll be reporting you for slandering me.

I guess in your own mind you are being slandered. Tell us, did you or not say you do not believe it pleased God to bruise Jesus?

Try to get this into your head: I agreed with DHK's views of sin, not anything he said about you. Is that too hard to comprehend?

You should have stated that when you quoted DHK, is that hard for you to comprehend?

Nothing foul came out of my mouth; I only stated fact.

Now I'll go hit the "report" button.

I could not care less what you think of me or what you report.
[personal attack edited]

 

[Michael Wrenn]

I guess in your own mind you are being slandered. Tell us, did you or not say you do not believe it pleased God to bruise Jesus?

You should have stated that when you quoted DHK, is that hard for you to comprehend?

I could not care less what you think of me or what you report.
Having a thumbs up in agreement from someone who does not believe in the atonement is like having a thumbs up from a Mormon.
That's just the way it is.

For someone as "intelligent" as you are, I thought you could have understood my reply to him -- but I guess your paranoia got in the way.

There you go lying again. I do believe in the atonement -- it's called the Christus Victor view. Looks like you have further to go than you thought before you reach perfection.

 

[Moriah]

[edited for rudeness and slander]

I do believe in the atonement -- it's called the Christus Victor view.

Yes or no, do you believe it pleased God to bruise Jesus?

 

[Michael Wrenn]

Yes or no, do you believe it pleased God to bruise Jesus?

I don't trust you; you are baiting me.

I told you my view of the atonement -- Christus Victor, the one held by the earliest churches.

Yes or no: Are you deceitful, a wolf in sheep's clothing, a slanderer?

 

[Moriah]

I don't trust you; you are baiting me.

I told you my view of the atonement -- Christus Victor, the one held by the earliest churches.

Yes or no: Are you deceitful, a wolf in sheep's clothing, a slanderer?

You are exposed. Do you not think you sound paranoid accusing me of baiting you and asking if I am a wolf…? I asked you a simple question. Do you believe it pleased God to bruise Jesus? That is what the Word of God says. Why cannot you answer plainly, if that is what you believe? I will tell you plainly…the Word of God says it pleased God to bruise him, so that is what I believe.

Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he has put him to grief: when you shall make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his offspring, he shall prolong his days, and the will of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

You are exposed. Do you not think you sound paranoid accusing me of baiting you and asking if I am a wolf…? I asked you a simple question. Do you believe it pleased God to bruise Jesus? That is what the Word of God says. Why cannot you answer plainly, if that is what you believe? I will tell you plainly…the Word of God says it pleased God to bruise him, so that is what I believe.

Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he has put him to grief: when you shall make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his offspring, he shall prolong his days, and the will of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

And you have already been exposed a long time ago.

There is nothing to expose about me. I said I believe in the Christus Victor view of the atonement. Try to figure that out. I will not be baited by such as you.

 

[Moriah]

And you have already been exposed a long time ago.

There is nothing to expose about me. I said I believe in the Christus Victor view of the atonement. Try to figure that out. I will not be baited by such as you.

Move along then, stop derailing my thread.

 

[fortytworc]

I don't see the connection 'once saved always saved has with reward and inheritance'.
That may explain why i wonder why otherwise reasonable people are being drawn into what appears to be arguing over trivialities.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

Move along then, stop derailing my thread.

I have a right to respond to DHK in this thread about his views of sin. You are not lord and master of this forum, and you cannot tell me I can't reply to someone. Again, my reply to him had nothing to do with you, just as I don't want to have anything to do with you.

 

[Moriah]

I have a right to respond to DHK in this thread about his views of sin. You are not lord and master of this forum, and you cannot tell me I can't reply to someone. Again, my reply to him had nothing to do with you, just as I don't want to have anything to do with you.

I had the right to reply to what you said in my thread. You agreeing with DHK does not prove me wrong.

 

[fortytworc]

Move along then, stop derailing my thread.

Is it any wonder that the world isn't being drawn to Jesus, when they see us cutting each other down with such anger? (It probably appears to them that we hate each other!)
They should be drawn to the Light. We appear to be darkness.

 

[Moriah]

I don't see the connection 'once saved always saved has with reward and inheritance'.
That may explain why i wonder why otherwise reasonable people are being drawn into what appears to be arguing over trivialities.

I do not think there is anything trivial about the Word of God.

Here are some scriptures for you to carefully consider:

2 John 1:8 Watch out that you do not lose what we have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully.

It only takes one scripture, and this one scripture tells us that it is possible to lose the reward. It only takes one scripture; however, here is more.

1 Corinthians 3:14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward.

Colossians 3:22-25 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. 23 Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters, 24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving. 25 Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for their wrongs, and there is no favoritism.

Matthew 5:46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?

Matthew 6:1 [ Giving to the Needy ] “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

Matthew 10:40-42 “Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. 41 Whoever welcomes a prophet as a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and whoever welcomes a righteous person as a righteous person will receive a righteous person’s reward. 42 And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones who is my disciple, truly I tell you, that person will certainly not lose their reward.”

 

[Moriah]

Is it any wonder that the world isn't being drawn to Jesus, when they see us cutting each other down with such anger? (It probably appears to them that we hate each other!)
They should be drawn to the Light. We appear to be darkness.

Why are you in a debate group if you are going to misjudge people and put down debating?

Please stop derailing my thread with your personal opinions about me they are false.