Rewording the Constitution to deprive religious freedom

This illustrates a huge problem with the Constitution and Bill of Rights. A perfectly natural assumption inherent in them is that all religions are basically peace loving and not a threat to civil accord.

Radicals in Islam are admitted, declared, and formidable enemies of freedom. They publish and broadcast their intentions to kill Israeli's and drive them into the sea, and to carry that persecution to all infidels. That's America folks.

The realization that the persecution of the Japanese Americans in WWII was, in retrospect, wrong, firmly fixing our attention on avoidance of the repeat of that injustice. But that pales in comparison, actually doesn't compare with radical Islam.

Are cults like Jim Jones to be afforded full Constitutional protections, allowing plans to murder their parishioners and children? Or just freedom up to the point of handing out the kool-aid? Are the radical Muslims afforded the freedom, (full Constitutional protections) to assemble in cells, plotting and planning to destroy us infidels?

 

So you blame all Muslims for the acts of some extremists. Do you also blame all Christians for the acts of people who claimed Christianity, like Timothy McVeigh or the KKK? Do you blame all Baptists for the acts of the Fred Phelps clan of Westboro Baptist Church?

 

An interview with Brigitte Gabriel:

Welcome, and thank you for taking the time to visit American Congress for Truth.

War has been declared on Christians, Jews, non-Muslims and secularists worldwide by Islamic extremists...simply because we are infidels according to their belief.

As Islamic fundamentalism spreads its tentacles worldwide, it is crucial for the people of the Western world to understand the danger, know what to expect, and know what to do about it.

Threats and realities of forced conversions to Islam, beheadings, torture and murder are quickly becoming commonplace. They’re rarely mentioned in the news and when they are, it’s with a disclaimer…the word “insurgent” has replaced the truth of “terrorists.”

Political correctness is killing us.

We are in for the fight of our lives.

That we have not yet had another terrorist attack in the United States is remarkable, but it will happen. Al Queda keeps its promises.

How do I know this? I was born in Lebanon and raised as a Christian. When the Lebanese Civil War broke out, our family, and our Maronite community came under vicious attack by Islamic extremists.

They promised to destroy us, and as you know from the recent war in Lebanon, the country is now nearly Islamic.

I was nearly killed by a mortar. Our home was destroyed. We lived in a bomb shelter for seven years. Most of my childhood friends were killed. That’s how I know.

We must make the connection between individual safety and a strong national defense, increase civic preparation and political responsibility, and train all Americans to become defenders of our community safety and national security.
Anguish struck the citizens of the United States of America on 9/11 as a
handful of hateful men murdered nearly 3,000 innocent people. A heavy pall of grief covered our nation.

Many of us wondered if we'd ever laugh again.

But 9/11 wasn't the only act of terrorism. Bali, London, Madrid, Jerusalem...the list goes on and on. Yet the West does not fully realize the bloodthirsty intentions of the menace of fundamental Islam.

This enemy -- is relentless. It is determined.

 

No you can't. They took my mother's midget sized bottle of water away (still sealed) and said it was no longer allowed before they pushed her on board in the wheelchair just a couple of weeks ago. The rules have changed recently.

 

You make some very good points, and are well taken. The post you quoted is from emotion on my part. No, I would not want the United States Constitution to be any different. We are distinct from all the muslim countries in religious freedom. It presents more problems for us, but we can figure them out. I would never want this country to lower itself to the standards of other nations that do not guarantee religious freedom.

 

Brigitte Gabriel is absolutely correct and recommended viewing is her story on the DVD (in my collection): From Hate to Love - she spells it all out as it happened to her and knows the threat of islam because she experienced it in her own country.

Which is, typical islamic Modus Operandi - they infiltrate (immigrate) into a nation until they are of sufficient numbers and then begin changing the country over into an islamic state, both politically and through force.

The trailer of her DVD (life story) and purchase information is here:

http://www.shoebat.com/trailer.php?PHPSESSID=1e31ff91b369f70722bbf89e375de058

Lebanon was originally a Christian nation, Christians escaped to Lebanon from their own lands that had been taken over by muslims. Lebanon was a haven for persecuted Christians to flee to (just as America has been for decades). But now, Lebanon is in the final stages of becoming an islamic state - with Hezbollah (terrorist group on US State Dept. list) in charge.

From Wikipedia: "Although Lebanon traditionally considered itself the only Christian majority country in the 'Arab' world, by the 1970s the Muslim population was believed to have been greater than that of the Christians, a situation that led to sectarian unrest and struggles for political and economic powerAlthough Lebanon traditionally considered itself the only Christian majority country in the 'Arab' world, by the 1970s the Muslim population was believed to have been greater than that of the Christians, a situation that led to sectarian unrest and struggles for political and economic power."

It is to be noted that when the US military was in Lebanon on a peacekeeping mission, the American Marine Barracks in Beruit, Lebanon, were the focus of a muslim terrorist act in 1983 (The death toll was 241 American servicemen: 220 Marines, 18 Navy personnel and 3 Army soldiers. Sixty Americans were injured.)

Americans need to wake up to the fact that islam is not just a religion - it is a political ideology on the same order and with the same author as fascism and communism, which seeks to conquer the world and have every knee bow to allah. It is succeeding one nation at a time, and if not recognized for what it is and stopped, America will fall to islam just as so many other nations and peoples have since 600 A.D. By the admission of islam's own prominent leaders, this is the Third Jihad (or Third Caliphate).

http://www.shoebat.com/

 

Link? Link? Link?

Your post sandwiched between two great posts.

Here we go again: your exceptions prove the rule.

Fred Phelps calls himself a Christian and was a Gore delegate, but he's still not a terrorist. Timothy McVeigh was an agnostic, he didn't do Oklahoma in the name of the Vatican. More terrorist apologizing and NO link.

And we're the UK circa 1937-8.

 

"One percent of 1.2 billion is 12 million Muslim fanatics who believe America is the Great Satan, fount of all evil, to be attacked and demolished."

"Many of the imams in America’s 2,000-plus principal mosques (for a population of five million Muslims) are recently naturalized U.S. citizens who were sent over as missionaries from both Iran and Saudi Arabia."

http://www.amconmag.com/01_13_03/borchgrave7.html

 

Who are "these people"?

Use that phrase about any ethnic group and you are automatically accused of racism.

So...?

 

Let's see....

Roger said this in this thread:

So, if you had read the thread, you would know that "these people" are the same "some folks" Roger mentioned in this thread. Do you read the threads before you post, or just shoot from the hip?

Since I didn't use that term about an ethinc group, but rather a group of people that seem to have a different opinion than Roger, who started the thread, and myself, which I agree with Roger. I guess I don't have to worry about your hypothetical situation.

So what? So do you have anything of value to add to this thread?

Jamie

 

So who are "these people"? Name them.

You grouped them together and used "these people" as a prejorative. At least have the nerve to tell us who you are talking about.

If you have the guts to do that, there's a good chance I'll have a follow up question.

BTW I really expect you to dodge the question again.:smilewinkgrin:

 

No, they know who they are. If you really wanted to know, you would be reading the threads.. It's not that hard to do, any 3rd grader could do it if you *really* wanted to know.

How did I belittle people by grouping them in a group that they themselves have already grouped themselves in.

They seem to think that muslims are ALL bad, and some even think we should change our laws because of muslims.

It's not a matter of nerve. Nice try though, since you can't seem to have anything of value to say, you just continue to fire away..

Guts.... You're funny.. there is a remark there, but I will withhold it...

I don't expect you to "follow-up" with a question, follow-up to me implies that you have contribuated to this conversation already, which you have not, only thrown stones around..

I don't expect, or even care if you have a question. My comment was orginally to Roger, which he understood my position, and if he didn't he is welcome to ask me about it.

You just butted in only because you didn't have anything of value to add. That has been shown in your post in this thread.

Not dodging anything.. As I stated before, my post was directed to Roger, not you. BTW I expect you to continue to throw stones in a conversation you haven't even begun to engage in..

Thanks for playing...

Jamie

 

Moderator Note: Yes, "these people" was used as a pejorative which is totally unnecessary and uncalled for. Now please get back on topic.

Please note that Roger and I have opposing views and we are both Moderators, but neither one of us have used pejoratives towards each other or made innuendoes or personal attacks against each other. Attack the topic, not the other members posting here. Thank you.

 

Biblical, evangelical Christianity has never been in the majority of this country. As much as I do not want to see a false religion take hold and decieve more, I'd hate to see political tactics we use against it to come against us soon.

Many of our accusations against Islam could easily be used against my own church.

For example, we suspect terrorism because many terrorist attacks were based in Islam However, it was just seven years ago that people suggested that the SBC's evangelistic emphasis in Chicago would cause hate crimes. LinkThat is not too far from calling it terrorism.

We get upset and nervous about public prayers or special groups in schools. Yet, we fight for the same special treatment for our faith.

We share disturbing stories about property owners having to deal with loudspeaker prayers 5 times a day, yet we fight tooth and nail if zoning boards ever restrict our churches.

I worry that we could fight hard, rid the US of Islamic churches, and find our own churches underground.

Maybe the best tactic is to preach the gospel.

 

Just for the record.

I am in favor of none of these things.

I am slightly ambivalent on one, but there would have to be caveats.

 

Thanks for not continuing to throw stones, and thanks for the input.

Don't blink.... this don't happen often.... :smilewinkgrin: we agree on this!



Take care my friend,

Jamie

 

You're welcome.

You take care as well. Gettin' late. I have to go study my SS lesson.:saint:

 

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I think the number of muslims that consider America to be the 'Great Satan' would probably be much more than one percent. And the number of muslims that would look the other way if a muslim killed (or threatened to kill) Americans to be even greater.

From a profiling perspective, the shear numbers are staggering. But, the percentage of muslims actively supporting and those passively supporting war on the USA is truly greater than we are prepared to handle.

As a taxi cab driver once told me, "If Americans want peace, tell your president to invade and liberate all muslim countries from the dictators" - then we will love you. [He actually said something else, but it sounded like he was trying to convince me that we needed to earn their love and support by dying to set them free.]

 

Changiing laws to discriminate against Muslims would set a very bad precedent. They can be used to discriminate against any religion society deems unpopular, such as Jews, Mormons, etc. Some argue that Islam is not just another religion and they want to take over the world. Certain Christian factions such as dominionism also want to rule the world and make it Chirstian, but I haven't heard of anyone testing Christians to see if they are into dominionism or if they're radicals like Eric Rudolph or Paul J. Hill. Even Nazis and Communists have rights here, yet Nazism and Communism are two of the biggest and most fearsome world domination systems the world has ever seen.

The attitudes of some of the posters on this board are very disturbing. They want freedom for themselves but are quick to deny it to those beliefs they don't like.

 

I thought we were fighting a "war on terror." At least that is what is told to us.