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Van

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Van, which part of the passage that I quoted in my post #24 above do you not undestand?
People who do not speak clearly, plainly and boldly seem not to think we should follow Christ's commands. False Flag operations are the world's value system on display, whatever works to deceive. It does not matter their labels, RINO's or Moderate Democrats, or "No labels," their goal is to say what we want to hear, while governing as they see fit.
 

KenH

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No one holds public office unless the absolutely totally sovereign God of the universe places them there.

Daniel 2:21 He removeth kings, and setteth up kings.

We spend way too much time, myself included, being bothered by all this political stuff, as if our actions are deciding this stuff outside of the sovereignty of God and His purposes.
 

KenH

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People who do not speak clearly, plainly and boldly seem not to think we should follow Christ's commands. False Flag operations are the world's value system on display, whatever works to deceive. It does not matter their labels, RINO's or Moderate Democrats, or "No labels," their goal is to say what we want to hear, while governing as they see fit.

Van, which part of the passage that I quoted in my post #24 above do you not understand?
 

Van

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Van, which part of the passage that I quoted in my post #24 above do you not understand?
People who do not speak clearly, plainly and boldly seem not to think we should follow Christ's commands. False Flag operations are the world's value system on display, whatever works to deceive. It does not matter their labels, RINO's or Moderate Democrats, or "No labels," their goal is to say what we want to hear, while governing as they see fit.
 

KenH

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People who do not speak clearly, plainly and boldly seem not to think we should follow Christ's commands. False Flag operations are the world's value system on display, whatever works to deceive. It does not matter their labels, RINO's or Moderate Democrats, or "No labels," their goal is to say what we want to hear, while governing as they see fit.

Van, which part of the passage that I quoted in my post #24 above do you not understand?
 

Van

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People who do not speak clearly, plainly and boldly seem not to think we should follow Christ's commands. False Flag operations are the world's value system on display, whatever works to deceive. It does not matter their labels, RINO's or Moderate Democrats, or "No labels," their goal is to say what we want to hear, while governing as they see fit

Ar threat to Mr. Biden but not to the godless left may come from the false flag operation labeled "Without Labels" offering other leftist candidates as if they were not leftists. The so-called "Republican" is a liberal RINO, and the so-called moderate Democrat, voted with Mr. Biden when the chips were down.Recall the Senator voted with the leftist liberals for the "Inflation Production Act,"because the truth is there are liberal "Republicans" but there are no "conservative" Democrats.

Beware those who only disparage other views, but like Mr. Stalin, keep quite when it comes to disclosing their own views. Watch for change of subject posts, larded with questions and false charges.
 

KenH

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People who do not speak clearly, plainly and boldly seem not to think we should follow Christ's commands. False Flag operations are the world's value system on display, whatever works to deceive. It does not matter their labels, RINO's or Moderate Democrats, or "No labels," their goal is to say what we want to hear, while governing as they see fit

Ar threat to Mr. Biden but not to the godless left may come from the false flag operation labeled "Without Labels" offering other leftist candidates as if they were not leftists. The so-called "Republican" is a liberal RINO, and the so-called moderate Democrat, voted with Mr. Biden when the chips were down.Recall the Senator voted with the leftist liberals for the "Inflation Production Act,"because the truth is there are liberal "Republicans" but there are no "conservative" Democrats.

Beware those who only disparage other views, but like Mr. Stalin, keep quite when it comes to disclosing their own views. Watch for change of subject posts, larded with questions and false charges.

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Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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I don't know about Leftist, but surely any politician who favors baby killing bows to Moloch and will never have my vote. I AM a one issue voter. Would you vote for any 'pro-death' politician?

Depends, is the pro-death politician in favor of abortion after 12-weeks? Is he in favor of no bans at all? Is he in favor of after birth murder? I'm happy with incrementalism in the abortion fight. I'd rather elect a 12 week ban politician than a no-ban politician.

It also depends on the position the person is running for. Agricultural Commissioner is not the same as Head of HHS. One's views of child murder doesn't come into account in Ag.

In my own life there have been many times I've voted Democrat for Ag-related positions. Most NC Republicans think "Ag" is Tyson, Cargill and Smithfield. Here in NC "Ag" is actually Tyson, Cargill, Smithfield AND a bunch of small independent family farms. The Democrats understand that for whatever reason. The Republicans don't. The Repubs just want to bulldoze the farms and plop subdivisions on it.

I've also had issues with Republicans refusing to support adding incentives to the Volunteer Fire Service. They balk under the guise of reducing government spending. Some Republicans think sending additional funds or incentives to Volunteer Fire Departments is "big govt". Democrats I've talked to are much more open to it.

There's a host of other issues that the Republicans are wrong on as well. Hence why I'm an Independent affiliated with ASP who sometimes votes for Dems at the local/state level.
 

Van

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People who do not speak clearly, plainly and boldly seem not to think we should follow Christ's commands. False Flag operations are the world's value system on display, whatever works to deceive. It does not matter their labels, RINO's or Moderate Democrats, or "No labels," their goal is to say what we want to hear, while governing as they see fit

Ar threat to Mr. Biden but not to the godless left may come from the false flag operation labeled "Without Labels" offering other leftist candidates as if they were not leftists. The so-called "Republican" is a liberal RINO, and the so-called moderate Democrat, voted with Mr. Biden when the chips were down.Recall the Senator voted with the leftist liberals for the "Inflation Production Act,"because the truth is there are liberal "Republicans" but there are no "conservative" Democrats.

Beware those who only disparage other views, but like Mr. Stalin, keep quite when it comes to disclosing their own views. Watch for change of subject posts, larded with questions and false charges.
 

Walter

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Depends, is the pro-death politician in favor of abortion after 12-weeks? Is he in favor of no bans at all? Is he in favor of after birth murder? I'm happy with incrementalism in the abortion fight. I'd rather elect a 12 week ban politician than a no-ban politician.

It also depends on the position the person is running for. Agricultural Commissioner is not the same as Head of HHS. One's views of child murder doesn't come into account in Ag.

In my own life there have been many times I've voted Democrat for Ag-related positions. Most NC Republicans think "Ag" is Tyson, Cargill and Smithfield. Here in NC "Ag" is actually Tyson, Cargill, Smithfield AND a bunch of small independent family farms. The Democrats understand that for whatever reason. The Republicans don't. The Repubs just want to bulldoze the farms and plop subdivisions on it.

I've also had issues with Republicans refusing to support adding incentives to the Volunteer Fire Service. They balk under the guise of reducing government spending. Some Republicans think sending additional funds or incentives to Volunteer Fire Departments is "big govt". Democrats I've talked to are much more open to it.

There's a host of other issues that the Republicans are wrong on as well. Hence why I'm an Independent affiliated with ASP who sometimes votes for Dems at the local/state level.

So, abortion is ok up to twelve weeks after God created the life? Hmmmm . . . . after God created life it is wrong to terminate that life no matter what the situation. And, as far as I am concerned, if a dog catcher is pro-death they don't have my vote. If a person is unable to realize a life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: and abortion is an abomination, he or she should not have your vote, period! And infanticide/abortion are abominable crimes that if a politician can't understand that, they should not hold public office.
 

Salty

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...,, if a dog catcher is pro-death he should not have your vote, period! ... And infanticide/abortion are abominable crimes that if a politician can't understand that, they should not hold public office.

You need to be more specific about "Pro-death"
Does that mean a person who will put down a dog?
Does that mean a person believes in the death penaltyJ
Does that mean you are pro-abortion?
Does that mean a combination of things?
 

Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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So, abortion is ok up to twelve weeks after God created the life?
Certainly not. It's also not ok to lie, cheat, steal, sleep around, cheat on your wife, take the Lord's name in vain, etc etc. Yet I've voted for politicians who have done all of that, or are actively doing that and so have you.

Can't expect pagans to act like the elect, so I just vote for whichever one furthers God's goals the most. Sometimes that's the pagan that is OK killing babies.

If a person is unable to realize a life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: and abortion is an abomination, he or she should not have your vote, period! And infanticide/abortion are abominable crimes that if a politician can't understand that, they should not hold public office.
To follow your logic to its end would mean that a Christian faced with the choice of voting for a 12-week ban Republican or a no-ban Democrat would have to vote for neither. That's a good way to wind up with Democrats passing nationwide abortion legalization.
 

canadyjd

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So, abortion is ok up to twelve weeks after God created the life? Hmmmm . . . . after God created life it is wrong to terminate that life no matter what the situation. And, as far as I am concerned, if a dog catcher is pro-death they don't have my vote. If a person is unable to realize a life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: and abortion is an abomination, he or she should not have your vote, period! And infanticide/abortion are abominable crimes that if a politician can't understand that, they should not hold public office.
We now have the opportunity to convince people at the state level to ban all abortions WTH no exceptions or to allow abortions without exceptions.

We do not want the federal government to force the issue in either direction.

Let the conversation be at the state level, make the case, get a good policy in place to protect life and then convince as many women as possible to keep their babies.

peace to you
 

KenH

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We do not want the federal government to force the issue in either direction.

Bingo. There is no constitutional warrant for the federal government to have anything to do with abortion. Of course, probably 90% of what the federal government does nowadays(well, has been this way for over 100 years) is unconstitutional.
 

OnlyaSinner

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To follow your logic to its end would mean that a Christian faced with the choice of voting for a 12-week ban Republican or a no-ban Democrat would have to vote for neither. That's a good way to wind up with Democrats passing nationwide abortion legalization.
When the choice is between "bad" and "worse", not voting helps "worse". Another example might be when a competent pro-life doctor is convinced that continuing a pregnancy will result in losing both baby and mother (I think it's very rare). One death is terrible; two deaths, worse.
 
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