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TCassidy

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I will deal with both posts at the same time.
Well what you say tells me that according to my definition your opinions are liberal at least on this issue.
So, how does stating what the law actually says make me a "liberal?"

How does not wanting to illegally deport a natural born US citizen make me a "liberal?"
Then you get questioned about it, and you want to make threats.
You didn't ask a question. You called me a name.

They knew the result of trying to force them to stay would be war.
Well, the industrial North wanted to fiscally isolate the agrarian South. The south was selling their cotton to France and buying needed machine tools from France. The North was not able to get cheap cotton for their mills and resented so many machine tools, which were the industrial North's main product, being bought from France thus not allowing the North to profit from the sales.

But the bottom line was the North did not think the South would fight. When the Congress, controlled by the North because of the Three-Fifths Compromise, placed export tariffs (tax) on exported cotton, and more tariffs on imported machine tools the South could no longer afford to trade with France but were forced to sell their cotton to the North for less than it was worth, and buy machine tools made in the North for more than they were worth.

The North had over 1 million men in uniform, well trained, and well armed.

The South had less that 3/4 that many, not trained at all, armed with only their hunting rifles, and even lacking uniforms.

The North really didn't believe the South would fight, and if they did they would be defeated at the first battle.

The Battle of Manassas (Bull Run) changed their opinion. The North lost in a spectacular manner.

Maybe letting them go, but stay as allies and trading partners.etc would have been better.
Trade was the problem, not the solution. The North didn't want partners, it wanted to dominate the South politically, socially, and financially.
Of course the problem with this is the issue of slavery.
Actually, it wasn't an issue until Lincoln, in 1863, two years into the war, made it an issue because Northerners were refusing to fight to insure the profits of the Robber Barons who controlled all the industry of the North, and owned most of the Congress. :)
 

Squire Robertsson

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And the political Southern elites saw their grip on power coming to an end with the opening up of the western territories where plantation slavery was not economical. And yes the North thought the South would fold like it did in the Nullification Controversy in the Andrew Jackson administration.
 
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carpro

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And neither are people who are here without proper documentation, which is one reason they are referred to as "undocumented" rather than "illegal" - because it is not illegal to be in this country without proper documentation. It is illegal (a mere misdemeanor) to enter the country without proper documentation, it is not illegal to be here undocumented.

Hmmm...sounds like if they don't get caught in the act illegally crossing the border, then they have done nothing wrong. Home free. Nice deal.

Armed robbers should try that one in court. If not caught in the act, which is illegal, then they are no longer armed robbers, just someone in possession of some unearned cash. and that's not against the law.
 
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TCassidy

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Hmmm...sounds like if they don't get caught in the act illegally crossing the border, then they have done nothing wrong. Home free. Nice deal.
That is one of the problems ICE has with doing deportations. First they have to have probable cause to stop them. Then they have to prove to the court's satisfaction they lack documentation. Then they have to show that allowing them to stay would be detrimental to the US. And, as a misdemeanor not committed in the officers presence is not an arrestable offense there has to be a predicate crime to justify the arrest. Immigration law is a tangled web, done deliberately so corporate farms have an abundance of cheap stoop labor to bring in the crops and boost profits.

Armed robbers should try that one in court. If not caught in the act, which is illegal, then they are no longer armed robbers, just someone in possession of some unearned cash. and that's not against the law.
It won't work. Armed robbery is a felony and any peace officer can arrest a suspected felon whether or not he observed the predicate offense.
 

carpro

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It won't work. Armed robbery is a felony and any peace officer can arrest a suspected felon whether or not he observed the predicate offense.

And illegally entering the country is a federal misdemeanor for which someone can be arrested at any time whether or not the crime was observed,supposedly just like any other misdemeanor.

It's a glaring inconsistency that begs to be corrected.
 
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Kevin

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That is one of the problems ICE has with doing deportations. First they have to have probable cause to stop them. Then they have to prove to the court's satisfaction they lack documentation. Then they have to show that allowing them to stay would be detrimental to the US. And, as a misdemeanor not committed in the officers presence is not an arrestable offense there has to be a predicate crime to justify the arrest. Immigration law is a tangled web, done deliberately so corporate farms have an abundance of cheap stoop labor to bring in the crops and boost profits.

It won't work. Armed robbery is a felony and any peace officer can arrest a suspected felon whether or not he observed the predicate offense.

Having a Federal government (obamo) who wants them here is making it more difficult to deport them.

People falling for the undocumented instead of illegal alien title,are just as complacent in the scam being run on the Real American People ( beside the native american Indians) which allows millions to invade, yes invade, our country.
 

TCassidy

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People falling for the undocumented instead of illegal alien title
So you are saying that the truth is a lie and the lie is the truth? I think the bible says something about that, and the people who do it. Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
 

TCassidy

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And illegally entering the country is a federal misdemeanor for which someone can be arrested at any time whether or not the crime was observed,supposedly just like any other misdemeanor.

It's a glaring inconsistency that begs to be corrected.
Except you are incorrect. A misdemeanor is not an arrestable offense unless it is witnessed by the LEO.

In most states, an officer can’t arrest an adult for a misdemeanor without a warrant, unless he witnesses the person committing it. In other words, the misdemeanor must occur in the presence of the officer. But what does this requirement really mean?

In general, for an officer to make a warrantless arrest for a misdemeanor, courts require that the officer have probable cause to believe that someone has committed a misdemeanor in his presence. (See: Atwater v. Lago Vista, 532 U.S. 318 (2001).)
 

Kevin

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So you are saying that the truth is a lie and the lie is the truth? I think the bible says something about that, and the people who do it. Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Glad to see that you are man enough to admit the errors you have made in judgement. I personally wouldn't have been that hard on you.
 

TCassidy

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Glad to see that you are man enough to admit the errors you have made in judgement. I personally wouldn't have been that hard on you.
You seem to have a serious comprehension problem. Being in the US without proper documentation is not a crime. You keep insisting, incorrectly, it is. You are wrong but lack to character to admit it.

Here is a challenge. Find the law (either USC - United States Code - or CFR - Code of Federal Regulations) that makes being in this country without proper documentation a crime.

So, either put up or shut up.
 

777

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Kevin, I think what you're talking about is "unlawful presence". That doesn't always go hand in hand with illegal entry - a federal misdemeanor, as you say:

http://www.dallascriminallawyer.com/blog/uncategorized/federal-misdemeanors-list/

But repeat illegal entry offenses are a felony. Unlawful presence is simply being in this country when you are not supposed to be here even if by overstaying a visa permit. It is a civil offense:

http://www.us-immigrationvisa.com/topics/unlawful-presence

and the punishment is usually deportation. This is an even more detailed explanation of the application of unlawful presence:

https://www.temple.edu/isss/immigration/overstay.html

so he's right, it's not technically a crime but it is grounds for deportation.
 
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