Rick Warren gushes over Catholics

[Aaron]

Everyone surprised that Catholic doctrine has not changed since the Reformation?

 

[kyredneck]

Aaron, it wasn't my intent to malign Luther or his ministry, but to accentuate the ongoing disagreement with the Reformers on the ID of The Whore (even a lot of PBs believe as he), and to give the girls here a good measure to go by before they start squealing accusations of anti-Semitism. And you're right, each statement which is listed needs to be read in context, which that article does not do.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

The Apostle Paul wrote most of his epistle's to point out false religion.

Uh ... really? Don't think so. Paul's major subject throughout his writings is "sola fida, faith alone. That breaks down into several subcategories.

One of his main focuses is justification by faith, the concept that humans are saved from sin by believing in Jesus. That negates works.

Jewish tradition focused on ritual observations and living according to Jewish law. Paul created a theological framework for understanding that Jesus' death and resurrection triggered a fundamental change in humanity's relationship with God--a relationship in which faith, rather than behavior, was the central element.

Yes, he mentions false religions. But the didn't make up anywhere near "most" of his epistles. And I believe Paul would be guided by the simple question, relative to Warren, "Is the gospel being preached?" Most of you here will claim "No" to be the answer.

You're wrong. Get over it.

 

[SolaSaint]

TND, sorry but you are wrong, Colossians, Galatians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus, 1 Corinthians and 2 Thessalonians all have false religions confronted by Paul. And Rick Warren needs to preach the whole gospel and not just what is easy for idolaters hear. He needs to repent and ask for forgiveness to the thousands of churches he has ruined.

 

[Aaron]

Aaron, it wasn't my intent to malign Luther or his ministry. . . .

I know, and I didn't mean to imply that it was. It was the purpose of the site on which his comments were listed. I was just saying we need to be careful. :type:

 

[kyredneck]

Re: bolded blue: fact is, if you read Catholic writers who do not gush about Mary and the 'saints', you might learn a lot from them. after all, it took them (if they were priests) years of philosophical studies before they were 'robed'.
I am Primitive Baptist, but just listening to the likes of Sproul, both the sr and the jr., JMac, Piper, the late Dr. McGee, DJeremiah, James Kennedy, and even Charles Stanley, I learn SOME things which I have forgotten or are entirely new.

Re: bolded dark red. well, the truth of the gospel is that it is good news of a FINISHED, DONE, ACCOMPLISHED, ETERNAL salvation for ALL for whom that salvation is meant. The big majority on this board kick and scream at the idea that they are too late to get people saved for eternity. As for the gospel itself, it is "Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried , and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" 1 Cor 15:3-4.
So, taking this board as an example, it IS possible to KNOW the gospel but take away from its truth as a whole: that the acts of God in Christ were meant for His people, and they only.

Re: bolded, green. And on whose and what authority do you judge whether Warren or anyone else, for that matter, is a TRUE Christian ? Were you there when the names of the true Christians were written in God's Book of Life ?

just saying.

Excellent post brother. You make many good points.

 

[webdog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVCY8pW-ACs

Rick Warren is at it again. Is he a genuine believer or a compromiser at any cost? He calls the Pope, "Our Pope", he praises Catholics coming home to their faith, he accepts a large congregation of Vatican delegates to come to Saddleback, watches EWTN more than any other channel...WHAT? He likes to read the Catholic Mystics and even his Spiritual Minister at Saddleback learns much from these Catholic writings.

It all sounds very nice to any unsuspecting Christian, but to anyone that discerns the truth of the gospel, it is obvious he is wandering off the narrow path of true Christianity. How can Warren gloat over Catholics coming home when they are a false religion? Might as well snuggle up to the Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses. He is not a true Christian if he, a man of his power and influence can go on National TV and more or less say Catholicism is OK. Just another flavor of Christianity. blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Ive gotten on you over things you have posted about RW in the past that were in error, but on this we agree. From the beginning I have said he receives far too much criticism for things he shouldn't, but this is not one of them. It is sickening to hear him refer to the pope as "our pope" and gush over how the pope is doing " everything right " around the 14 minute mark. It is also one thing to partner with unbelievers (the catholic church as a whole) over things like feeding the hungry, mental health, etc....but to invite them to your church in full support and encouragement of their "new evangelism" is anti biblical.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

TND, sorry but you are wrong, Colossians, Galatians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus, 1 Corinthians and 2 Thessalonians all have false religions confronted by Paul.

You are the one who is wrong. You are referring to a few verses among entire epistles, with the exception of the letter to the church at Galatia, which is essentially a confrontation of the Judiazers. Nonetheless, his writing continued, even in that book, to be about God's grace, and faith given through that grace. To claim he wrote "most of his epistles to point out false religion" is simply bad commentary.

 

[Yeshua1]

Ive gotten on you over things you have posted about RW in the past that were in error, but on this we agree. From the beginning I have said he receives far too much criticism for things he shouldn't, but this is not one of them. It is sickening to hear him refer to the pope as "our pope" and gush over how the pope is doing " everything right " around the 14 minute mark. It is also one thing to partner with unbelievers (the catholic church as a whole) over things like feeding the hungry, mental health, etc....but to invite them to your church in full support and encouragement of their "new evangelism" is anti biblical.

The Gospel of Rome saves no sinner, and the papacy is NOT getting inspiration to teach the doctrines of God, as that proof is in the doctrines held by Rome, that negate the Cross and resurrection of Jesus!

 

[SolaSaint]

I stand corrected, I looked back and I did say he wrote the Epistle's to refute error, I should have said he wrote in most of his Epistle's concerning false religions. Does that sound better. Thanks