Rick Warren

Yes, he's been a pastor at MacArthur's church for many years.

 

I was confused, as I KNOW that he would be into tongue talking!

 

Itis very important that we come to a valid understanding on just what the gifts in operation meant in Acts, and what they mean to us today!

 

I'm a cessationist and am very critical of the continuationist movement. But frankly I hate poisoning the well arguments. There are some good guys out there that are wrong on tongues. One of the best documentaries on the radical New Apolositic Reformation movement is by Andrew Strom. He's a Pentecostal, but has done more to expose the nonsense in the charismatic movement than most cessationists. I'll disagree with him on tongues, but I'd be a fool to dismiss the good work he's done. Poisoning the well is never a good argument. Among other things, it's lazy.

 

One of the very best book written to expose the junk theology of tyhe WOF and pros[erity churches was by one who graduated ORU, belive was A Different Gospel. He was still a Charasmatic...

 

Well I shouldn't have worded it that way, I apologize... of course Scripture matters, but what I WAS trying to say is that some things like futuristic events, and whether we have the Gifts or not is not a Salvational issue. An issue of whether one is saved or not is whether they believe on the true Jesus Christ of the Bible, we are to believe in our heart, and confess with our mouth. The Bible never says that we must get everything right, that we must understand things pertaining to what I said, but it does tell us that we must get the Gospel - the GOOD NEWS right, which is that Christ died for us, and without Him we are doomed to hell for ALL eternity.

When it comes to RW, he makes it seem like there are many paths to God, well that is just not Biblical.

Anyway back to my point, again some things in Scripture we cannot refute or we will cease to be a Christian, like the Trinity! I know people can be confused, but ultimately a saved person will just get it that God consists of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, anything else is weird and heretical. Likewise if someone said I believe in Christ, but I believe in gandhi, allah, muhammed, buddha, etc. etc. I would believe they were never saved to begin with. There is only ONE way to the Father! and the Bible says if someone tries to reach the Father another way they are a thief and a robber and none of those types can enter into Heaven! We must be blood washed and redeemed and we can be that if we place our faith solely in Christ.

A person who is methodist, presby, pentecostal, whatever CAN be saved if they place their faith in Jesus Christ ALONE for their salvation! whether they believe they can speak in tongues, heal the sick, cast out devils still or not. The Bible never says if anyone continues to believe on or do these things (talking about the Gifts here) that they are not saved anymore, and to say they are unsaved because they believe in those things would be insane because it's by faith in Jesus Christ ONLY. This is outright different than saying I can be a witch and be a Christian too, I can do my yoga squats, sip on my lattees and listen to budhist mantras and teachings and still be saved. NO! that is NOT how it works! can a Christian be confused, YES! but ultimately God wants us to KNOW the Bible and what it says, JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY!

 

You mean "not be"?

 

Yes!

 

I have personally seen, heard, and read enough of RW's stuff to know how I feel about the guy. The proof is in the pudding, it's sad that the proof is being rejected. So you are absolutely right, RW showed his true colors.