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Rights of a Business or Employer- slippery slope?
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I think you are intentionally misrepresenting. civil rights/human rights.
Those rights recognized in the first 9 (10) amendments known as the Bill of Rights. None of those apply to businesses.
whether or not to mandate an injection certainly isn't injecting a business ... unless we're talking more pork injections from the government, right?
and I recognize these are restrictions on government ... but persons have similar responsibility to honor another's.
the issue is occluded because we've become accustomed to heads of businesses spending the company's money on their approved extra curricular to include govt lobby on issues which are completely irrelevant to the business.
The Hobby Lobby deal is fouled because of expectation of business to provide medical insurance. they shouldn't. shouldn't need "sniffles" insurance but perhaps "major medical/hospitalization"
Anyhow ... I imagine your glazed by now ... adios.
I think this gets more complicated because business owners (in the US) do and have historically had the right to make the decision to require vaccines and immunizations against viruses and diseases.
The qualifying factor has been the judgment of the business owner.
The reason it is debatable now is the number of people (while still a minority) that reject the covid vaccine.
At this time the virus is considered a workplace hazard (whether it really is a hazard is debatable, but it is officially considered one). At this time the Pfizer vaccine is FDA approved for general use (not under emergency authorization, but fully approved). At this time all three vaccines used in the US are considered (officially) safe and effective (whether they actualky are is debatable).
So here is where we stand:
1. Businesses have the right to require vaccines.
2. The covid disease caused by the sars-cov-2 virus has been declared a workplace hazard.
3. The FDA has approved the Pfizer vaccine.
4. All 3 vacvines have been deemed safe and effective against preventing coronavirus disease from the sars-cov-2 virus.
5. All 3 viruses have been deemed to prevent the spread of the sars-cov-2 virus.
Until and unless any of the above changes there is no reason a business cannot require a covid vaccine.
The easiest route is to remove the right of an employer to require immunizations and vaccines as tge remaining issues are dependent on time and more studies to overturn the official position.
But to do so means stripping citizens of historical rights.
The other option is to give citizens rights they historically did not have (i.e., the right of employment over the right of the employer) or to create laws that HIPAA to cover employment and private venues.
The qualifying factor has been the judgment of the business owner.
The reason it is debatable now is the number of people (while still a minority) that reject the covid vaccine.
At this time the virus is considered a workplace hazard (whether it really is a hazard is debatable, but it is officially considered one). At this time the Pfizer vaccine is FDA approved for general use (not under emergency authorization, but fully approved). At this time all three vaccines used in the US are considered (officially) safe and effective (whether they actualky are is debatable).
So here is where we stand:
1. Businesses have the right to require vaccines.
2. The covid disease caused by the sars-cov-2 virus has been declared a workplace hazard.
3. The FDA has approved the Pfizer vaccine.
4. All 3 vacvines have been deemed safe and effective against preventing coronavirus disease from the sars-cov-2 virus.
5. All 3 viruses have been deemed to prevent the spread of the sars-cov-2 virus.
Until and unless any of the above changes there is no reason a business cannot require a covid vaccine.
The easiest route is to remove the right of an employer to require immunizations and vaccines as tge remaining issues are dependent on time and more studies to overturn the official position.
But to do so means stripping citizens of historical rights.
The other option is to give citizens rights they historically did not have (i.e., the right of employment over the right of the employer) or to create laws that HIPAA to cover employment and private venues.
well. 2 and 3 are right. 1 is in litigation, your 4 is iffy, and this one: All 3 viruses have been deemed to prevent the spread of thesars-cov-2 virus, I'm going to assume virus = vaccine and, if so, iffy. This is going through the court system, rulings are all over the place.
thought so, but, yeah, this is the first instance of any mandatory vaccination requirement by the executive branch, and the executive branch is what's pushing it on the large companies. The OSHA rule to do so has never been used before like this, it's like a gimmick.
Federal executive branch telling corporations what to do, that is fascism. I really wouldn't have that big of problem with companies of any size mandating these vaccinations if the federal government gave them to illegal aliens and there was some kind of grandfather clause - when you agreed to take the job. there was no vaccination requirement then, so there shouldn't be one now.
Federal executive branch telling corporations what to do, that is fascism. I really wouldn't have that big of problem with companies of any size mandating these vaccinations if the federal government gave them to illegal aliens and there was some kind of grandfather clause - when you agreed to take the job. there was no vaccination requirement then, so there shouldn't be one now.
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