Rob Bell Interview

[Jerome]

I knew there was something special about [the MSNBC journalist who interviewed RobBell] Mr. Bashir. When [Bashir] was a guest on the Jimmy Fallon talk show, he brought up the subject of the inerrancy of scripture.

I located a copy of the NBC broadcast from February!

Stay tuned for my transcript of Redeemer Presbyterian parishoner Martin Bashir's late night talk show discourse on the inerrancy of scripture.

 

[pinoybaptist]

He's trying to sell books for Pete's sake! The real motivation is money:love2:.... if he wanted to make a statement, he wouldn't be in Manhattans 5th Ave Barnes & Noble signing books at 7pm. Make it lovey dovey & dumb & stupid and they will beat a path to your door to buy that horse manure. John Shelby Spong will attest to that. Ca Ching$$$:thumbsup::smilewinkgrin:

money. agreed. the love of it makes the world go spinning round, even the "theological" and "Christian" world.

 

[Osage Bluestem]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg-qgmJ7nzA

Our pastor played this clip on the big screen on Sunday and explained to the congregation why it was wrong, then he boldly preached the gospel of salvation in no other name but Jesus.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

It is actually good news to me that these guys come out for who they are. False teachers creed in unware. But eventually their folly is exposed.

Praise the Lord this man's folly is exposed.

 

[Rippon]

It is actually good news to me that these guys come out for who they are. False teachers creed in unware. But eventually their folly is exposed.

Praise the Lord this man's folly is exposed.

"False teachers creed in unaware"! False teachers sometimes slip in among you unnoticed, you mean.

Yes,I think this interview was excellent in that it exposed Mr.Bell for what he is. He was put under the light. No discerning Christian will fall for his stuff. He's been outed.

 

[SolaSaint]

He's trying to sell books for Pete's sake! The real motivation is money:love2:.... if he wanted to make a statement, he wouldn't be in Manhattans 5th Ave Barnes & Noble signing books at 7pm. Make it lovey dovey & dumb & stupid and they will beat a path to your door to buy that horse manure. John Shelby Spong will attest to that. Ca Ching$$$:thumbsup::smilewinkgrin:

Earth,

are you saying that Spong is agreeing that Bell is selling manure or that Spong has done it himself? Thanks for a reply, I'm interested in anything said by Spong.

 

[PeterM]

Sad... genuinely sad.

Probably the thing that bugs me most is this notion that church is the place we go to "figure out" what the Bible says. Since when can I or anyone figure out what God's Word says? Am I not dependent on the Holy Spirit to illuminate me to the truth? And if I am dependent on God for revelation, restoration, and illumination my struggle is not in achieving those things, it is in my availing myself to the disciplines of "asking, seeking, and knocking" but then ultimately trusting that God will indeed answer, reveal, and open.

I guess the "cool factor" of wrestling with the things of God is lost on me, since God has so completely shown Himself in His Word.

 

[glfredrick]

Earth,

are you saying that Spong is agreeing that Bell is selling manure or that Spong has done it himself? Thanks for a reply, I'm interested in anything said by Spong.

i don't know that Spong has weighed in on the Rob Bell issue. Haven't seen anything from him in the press that I scan.

But, Spong is a problem in and of himself. A heretic of the first order. Doesn't really matter what he says or how he weighs in -- he is not one who's opinion should matter in the Christian world. The MSNBC reporter walks closer to God and asks better questions/responses than would Spong on this issue.

Edit: I did some poking around and found a blog dated to BEFORE Bell released his latest book that illustrates that some saw him moving in this direction a long time ago. the writer ties Bell and Spong, though not directly.

http://robrynders.com/2010/two-days-with-rob-bell-and-john-shelby-spong/#

 

[ReformedBaptist]

"False teachers creed in unaware"! False teachers sometimes slip in among you unnoticed, you mean.

Yes,I think this interview was excellent in that it exposed Mr.Bell for what he is. He was put under the light. No discerning Christian will fall for his stuff. He's been outed.

creep in is what I meant :thumbs:

Just saw an article where Brian McLaren is defending Rob Bell. Let them all be known for what they are.

 

[preachinjesus]

It's pretty clear that the Emergent group has come full circle in their desire to re-reform the Church. They started with theological liberalism and have ended with it.

Honestly I was blown away by Brian McLaren's piece that went after Dr. Mohler. (It's available right here: http://brianmclaren.net/archives/blog/challenging-three-cherished-evan.html ) He basically comes out with a deconstructionist malaise that is channeling Kant's noumena in the phenomena. Now granted, McLaren discredited himself as an original theological thinker with his book A New Kind of Christianity a year or so ago.

Now Dr. Mohler has replied with this rather well put together post: http://www.albertmohler.com/2011/03...ion-worth-having-a-response-to-brian-mclaren/

I really hope that we can finally see the Emergent (note, this is not the same as emerging) leadership actually join together with biblical evangelicals in discussion instead of just talking to themselves. Perhaps this will allow all of evangelicalism to see an honest debate between the two sides. Maybe...

 

[sag38]

Lately I've had several church members as me about the emergent movement. Being that the emergent movement is somewhat diverse and hard to pin down on anything of relevance I simply explained that the emergent movement is old time liberalism wearing a new set of threads. It led people to hell then and it's leading them to hell now.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

Excellent reply by Mohler.

 

[glfredrick]

From Mohler...

Communication is indeed “nearly always tricky,” but McLaren’s argument leads to interpretive nihilism. Can we really not know what the Gospel is? If this is true, the church is left with no coherent message at all. All of our attempts to define the right form of the Gospel are just human interpretations, he insists, and we must avoid “excessive confidence” in any telling of the Gospel story. McLaren warns that we must avoid “a naive and excessive confidence,” but that we can retain a “humble confidence.” But his argument leaves us with very little idea of how this “humble confidence” is to be found, since “no articulation of the gospel today can presume to be exactly identical to the original meaning Christ and the apostles proclaimed.”

That statement leaves us with only approximations of the Gospel — some presumably better, some worse. And we would in fact be left with nothing more precise or authoritative than that but for one thing — we have the Bible. We are absolutely dependent upon the New Testament way of telling the Gospel of Christ, and the apostles were determined to pass along the Gospel as a clear and understandable message to others. This is why Paul instructed Timothy to “follow the pattern of the sound words that you have heard from me, in the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus” and to “guard the good deposit entrusted to you.” [2 Timothy 1:13-14]

If we cannot know what the Gospel is, then there is no such thing as the faith “once for all delivered to the saints.” [Jude 3] If so, we have nothing definitive to say.

 

[Jerome]

Martin Bashir,the interviewer, attends Redeemer Presbyterian Church in New York City.The pastor is Tim Keller.

Here is a transcript of Redeemer Presbyterian parishoner/MSNBC host Martin Bashir's fascinating discourse on the inerrancy of scripture during his February appearance on the Jimmy Fallon Late Night talk show:

Jimmy Fallon: Welcome, it's great to have you here. Sorry if I smell like pickles.

Martin Bashir: That's OK. [giggles] How was Snooki?

Fallon: She was fantastic.

Bashir: She's tremendous, isn't she. Absolutely. She's fantastic. Did she talk to you about the inerrancy of scripture and various other philosophical ideas?

Fallon: We didn't get to it, unfortunately.

Bashir: I'm surprised

Fallon: I know. It's a bummer. Next time, next time we'll do it. Yeah yeah.

[Bashir goes on to talk about his "thirty awards" and "all these landmark interviews"]

Sounds like Tim Keller's preaching is making quite an impression on him.

Thanks to Rippon for pointing out the connection:thumbs:

 

[Jerome]

Interviewer Bashir being interviewed about the interview:

http://www.godandculture.com/blog/msnbcs-martin-bashir-on-the-paul-edwards-program

I do attend Redeemer Presbyterian Church. I am married to a wonderful Christian woman. And I am myself a committed Christian. But that does not have a bearing on what I was doing.

Mr. Bashir also:

—disavowed personal connection to particular denominations' attacks on Rob Bell

—revealed that his own daughter attends an "emergent" church.

 

[jaigner]

While I do agree, there are some "issues" with what we hear coming from Mr. Bell, I do appreciate his "honest wrestling" with things spiritually and theologically that He finds himself in tension with.

I appreciate this statement. I have yet to read his latest book, so I'll reserve comment, but I have always found Bell to be generous and honest, which is something we don't have from most Christian personalities. Much of his thought was fantastic, as well.

He also attended a fantastic school. Doesn't mean he's on top of everything, but it's still cool.

 

[jaigner]

The MSNBC interview is one of the more challenging ones to Rob's positions. Perhaps one of those reasons is that Rob, and several in his theological family like McLaren, refuse to sit down with humble, honest theologians/pastors who will challenge them.

Bell's not emergent.

 

[glfredrick]

Bell's not emergent.

He actually is...

 

[preachinjesus]

Bell's not emergent.

Yeah I think he is. I know getting the Emergent fellows to stand up and all say "I am Sparatcus" is difficult at best, but he really does fall into the movement rather well.

 

[glfredrick]

http://www.albertmohler.com/2011/03/23/panel-discussion-rob-bell-and-love-wins/