Robinson Wins Contempt Of Court Challenge

[Squire Robertsson]

Where did I ask you to express remorse? It's standard for courts to order jurors

• not to read or access news articles.
• not to discuss with others or themselves outside the jury room.

about the trial, they are empaneled for. In major cases, juries are sequestured. That is put up in a hotel and fed at government expense under the watchful eye of court personnel (sheriff's deputy or US Marshall depending on the level of the case.) In a case where there are reporters gathered in front of the courthouse (a standard shot for tv reporters), juries are let out through another access point. If reporters tried to engage them, then the reporters would find themselves in trouble. Remember, it's common as dirt for reporters to sit in a courtroom and report on the happenings for the six o'clock news or evening paper. There is\was even a job of courtroom artist. Folks who drew to give media outlets visuals.

Why would I express remorse? I haven't done anything wrong.
SNIP
So how do you prevent the sort of sub justice interference with the administration of justice which could result in the innocent being jailed or the guilty going free as referred to by Martin in his post?

 

[Matt Black]

The remorse comment was in response to CMG's post immediately above mine.

How do the marshals etc prevent jurors from having access to smartphones etc?

 

[Matt Black]

Schrödinger's Muslim 'getting away with everything' while simultaneously 'surrounding Tommy Robinson in prison'

 

[church mouse guy]

The remorse comment was in response to CMG's post immediately above mine.

How do the marshals etc prevent jurors from having access to smartphones etc?

The USA has a lax judicial system but I don't want anyone denied due process, which seems to be what happened to Robinson. As a lawyer, don't you want fair play for everyone?

 

[Squire Robertsson]

If sequestered, I assume they take them away. If not, then it's the same case of not reading the newspapers or watching the tv news. FYI, jury tampering is a serious felony.

The remorse comment was in response to CMG's post immediately above mine.

How do the marshals etc prevent jurors from having access to smartphones etc?

 

[Matt Black]

The USA has a lax judicial system but I don't want anyone denied due process, which seems to be what happened to Robinson. As a lawyer, don't you want fair play for everyone?

Robinson was interfering with due process in the first place allegedly

 

[church mouse guy]

Robinson was interfering with due process in the first place allegedly

Yes, but Justice is allegedly blind, as you know. Your high judge ruled that the trial was in error. It is shocking to us that he never got his own lawyer and that he was sentenced in five hours, I think. Also, we don't understand what he did other than stand outside a courthouse and stream some video on Facebook but our judges cannot shut down something like that so there is more freedom here and it is hard to understand the point of such restrictions. We can understand that cameras are not allowed in a courtroom but we cannot understand the problem outside the building.

 

[Matt Black]

Ah, well there were two trials you see, connected but separate, arising from one large group of accused Asian men who had to be split into two groups as there were too many for one trial. Trial 1 was to happen before Trial 2. There were therefore reporting restrictions imposed on Trial 1 (including its outcome) until Trial.2 had at least started, the concern being that leaking of data from Trial 1 into the public domain would adversely influence potential jurors of Trial 2 before Trial 2 had started, thus preventing the defendants in Trial 2 from having a fair trial, meaning they couldn't be safely convicted and would have to have charges dropped.

[ETA: this is totally normal and routine BTW: I had and indeed still have a client in the public eye who was accused of fraud with one of his colleagues and, because of the complexities of fraud cases, there were two trials, one first for him and then for his colleague. My guy was acquitted, but his acquittal wasn't reported on nor was he even allowed to.tell anyone, until.after the second trial had concluded]

 

[church mouse guy]

I thought the culprits were Muslims....

 

[Squire Robertsson]

This type of ruling is totally outside American experience and practice.

My guy was acquitted, but his acquittal wasn't reported on nor was he even allowed to.tell anyone, until.after the second trial had concluded]

 

[Matt Black]

I thought the culprits were Muslims....

Yes, who might have got away with it thanks to Yaxley-Lennon's antics...

 

[Matt Black]

This type of ruling is totally outside American experience and practice.

So what happens when a group of connected persons (eg: a drugs gang) is too large for a single trial?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

This type of ruling is totally outside American experience and practice.

And the aversion to it is outside of the Euro experience.

 

[church mouse guy]

Yes, who might have got away with it thanks to Yaxley-Lennon's antics...

So you disagree with the verdict that set Robinson free?

 

[Matt Black]

There has been no verdict; he hasn't had his retrial yet

 

[church mouse guy]

There has been no verdict; he hasn't had his retrial yet

So you disageed with the judge who scheduled a new trial and let Robinson go home to his wife aand children?

 

[Matt Black]

The decision? No; I err on the side of innocent until proven guilty and let justice take its course

 

[David Kent]

Yes, but Justice is allegedly blind, as you know. Your high judge ruled that the trial was in error. It is shocking to us that he never got his own lawyer and that he was sentenced in five hours, I think. Also, we don't understand what he did other than stand outside a courthouse and stream some video on Facebook but our judges cannot shut down something like that so there is more freedom here and it is hard to understand the point of such restrictions. We can understand that cameras are not allowed in a courtroom but we cannot understand the problem outside the building.

You dont have justice in your society.
Our law says you cannot report on a trial in progress, that may influence the result either way. If you do you have broken the law, and will be in contempt of Court. Simple,
That applies to journalists as well as neo nazi thugs,

 

[David Kent]

And the aversion to it is outside of the Euro experience.

Grow up

 

[church mouse guy]

The decision? No; I err on the side of innocent until proven guilty and let justice take its course

I thought it probably was a wise decision that alleviated some of Trump's concerns as stated by Brownback to the UK Ambassador to the USA. Tommy Robinson seems in great danger to me from the large UK left who control London and from the UK Muslims.