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[Eliyahu]

If you drink the Blood of Jesus, you are CURSED!

Why?

Leviticus 17:
11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.


Lord Supper was given to the Believers as a Reminder of His Sacrifice at the Cross for remembering Him.
Jesus never told anyone to suck His Blood dripping down from the Cross.

Gospel John 6 tells us that we must eat His Flesh and drink His Blood

John 6: 53
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

This is talking about Being Born Again, by having the Spirit of Jesus Christ.

John 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.


RCC people misunderstand this teaching and try to immitate the Flesh and Blood of Jesus by the Transubstantiation Theory.

They lift up the Cookies and Chalice asking their god to forgive their sins, BECAUSE RCC don't believe all the sins of the world were already forgiven by the precious Blood of Jesus at the Cross. Therefore they ask their god to forgive their sins every week at the Mass.
Mass came from Missa in Latin which originated from Mactatus which means the slaughter or sacrifice. Massacre came from Mactatus or Macto.
Because RCC don't believe all the sins were forgiven already at the Cross, they don't like to believe Hebrews 10:18

Hebrews 10:17-18
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

There is NO NEED for Sacrifice for the sins, because Jesus offered the complete, perfect
sacrifice for the sins of the world at the Cross, Once For ALL

RCC rely on their own sacirifice every week by the Mass, but the Truly Born Again Christians remember and rely on the Great Sacrifice by Lord Jesus Christ with His Own Blood, and give thanks to the great Redeemer Jesus Christ.
No more Mass, No more Transubstantiation, No more Real Presence, No More Priest because all the Born Again Believers are the Priests offering the great sacrifice to God by remembering and believing what the Great Priest Jesus has done at the Cross by His Own Blood and His Body.( Read 1 Peter 2:5-9)

We give thanks to Lord Jesus, the Great Savior, everyday, every moment!

Eliyahu

 

[RipponRedeaux]

You called the writings of the Didache, Ignatius, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Hippolytus, Origin, Cyprian, Aphraahat, Cyril and Ambrose...

How did Hippolytus and Aphrahat make the list? Just kidding. I never heard of those two before.

Last month I read a book about John Chrysostom. It was good and informative.

 

[Jerome]

First Catholic Mass celebrated in Geneva cathedral since Reformation ❧ Priest thanks Reformed Church for its invitation

"In the time of the Reformation, the cathedral fell into the hands of John Calvin and his Reformed Protestant Church of Geneva. The last Catholic Mass to be celebrated here was in 1535....the cathedral became a location 'emblematic of the Calvinist reform'."

"Father Pascal Desthieux, the episcopal vicar of Geneva, was the main celebrant of the liturgy March 5, with about 1,500 people in attendance."

"Fr. Desthieux said that Geneva’s Catholics were touched by the Protestant community’s invitation....He asked for forgiveness for 'faults against unity'....Also during the service, a representative of the Protestant community, Daniel Pilly, asked pardon for past acts."

 

[Salty]

First Catholic Mass celebrated in Geneva cathedral since Reformation ❧ Priest thanks Reformed Church for its invitation

Also during the service, a representative of the Protestant community, Daniel Pilly, asked pardon for past acts."

Pardon for what - that the RCC church was teaching false doctrine>

 

[Marooncat79]

Again, start here at #1. And watch all 23, or at least through about #8

if you are really stressed for time, start on 4, he deals with the RCC- Ignatius

each is about an hour, so do it on way to work and way home

sessions 4-8 or so!!!

Do it now!!!!!!! Haha

 

[Cathode]

Basically it comes down to for me, if the Eucharist isn’t Jesus, then you aren’t receiving Communion. So a total waste of time otherwise. I’d be better off reserving Sunday’s for water sports or the drag races, and perhaps monster trucks.

If the bread and wine remain what they are, to me they are like empty husks in a far off sty.
Bread and wine do not give life, but Jesus Body and Blood does give life.

This is Jesus own words

“ He who eats my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day; for my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. “

From this we learn that, Jesus flesh is real food and his blood is real drink, and that we are to eat his flesh and drink his blood.

We know this is Covenant Communion exchange of Persons, because he also says.

“ He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood, abides in me and I in him.”

So as with the offering of loaves and fish to Jesus to feed a multitude, by this simple offering of bread and wine, it is transformed into Body and Blood of Christ so that all called to this feast down the ages could receive Jesus Himself personally in Covenant Communion.

Jesus established this simple Eucharistic feast so that we could receive Him in Covenant Communion through all time. That’s the amazing unfathomable Love He has for us.

 

[37818]

Ever read the Didache?

The Didache as it is named is not the word of God.

 

[37818]

This is Jesus own words

“ He who eats my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day; for my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. “

In Jesus being the true bread of life from Heaven to come to and believe in order to have eternal life [John 6:47, ". . . in Me . . . ]. He was not speaking of the remembrance He was to institute.

 

[steaver]

Basically it comes down to for me, if the Eucharist isn’t Jesus, then you aren’t receiving Communion. So a total waste of time otherwise.

For me, it comes down to what are the ramifications if a born-again Christian rejects this Catholic interpretation? Will we still be saved?

Blessings!

 

[37818]

Ignatius of Antioch
“I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the bread of God, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ . . . and for drink I desire his blood, which is love incorruptible” (Letter to the Romans 7:3 [A.D. 110]).

“Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2–7:1 [A.D. 110]).

These writings attributed to Ignatius of Antioch are understood to be forgeries.
https://depts.drew.edu/jhc/KillenIgnatius.pdf

 

[37818]

For me, it comes down to what are the ramifications if a born-again Christian rejects this Catholic interpretation? Will we still be saved?

If one truly believes in God's Christ [1 John 5:1,1 John 5:9-12], the repetition would not be needed for eternal life.

 

[Cathode]

In Jesus being the true bread of life from Heaven to come to and believe in order to have eternal life [John 6:47, ". . . in Me . . . ]. He was not speaking of the remembrance He was to institute.

Catholics believe Jesus flesh is real food and his blood is real drink. Not only is it the words of Holy Scripture, it is the direct words of Christ.

This is the Great test of Faith, only those who believe Jesus words can receive Him in this Communion Covenant Feast. The Garment of Faith in Jesus Words is all that is needed.

Many don’t believe Jesus flesh is real food and blood real drink, it does require belief, and great faith in Jesus words to attend this Covenant Communion Feast.

For many the invitation has been sent out and throughout time and rejected, for us the invitation has been accepted we believe Jesus words as children, without rationalisations or excuses. We believe Jesus as He said them.

 

[37818]

Catholics believe Jesus flesh is real food and his blood is real drink.

Among some other beliefs that I understand not to be taught in the New Testament.

This is the Great test of Faith, only those who believe Jesus words can receive Him in this Communion Covenant Feast.

I grant that is your persuasion. I think I made it clear that Jesus teaching on Himself being the real Manna, the true bread from Heaven is not His teaching of the remembrance, Luke 22:19-20. [John 6:47, ". . . Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. . . ."]

 

[Marooncat79]

Basically it comes down to for me, if the Eucharist isn’t Jesus, then you aren’t receiving Communion. So a total waste of time otherwise. I’d be better off reserving Sunday’s for water sports or the drag races, and perhaps monster trucks.

If the bread and wine remain what they are, to me they are like empty husks in a far off sty.
Bread and wine do not give life, but Jesus Body and Blood does give life.

This is Jesus own words

“ He who eats my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day; for my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. “

From this we learn that, Jesus flesh is real food and his blood is real drink, and that we are to eat his flesh and drink his blood.

We know this is Covenant Communion exchange of Persons, because he also says.

“ He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood, abides in me and I in him.”

So as with the offering of loaves and fish to Jesus to feed a multitude, by this simple offering of bread and wine, it is transformed into Body and Blood of Christ so that all called to this feast down the ages could receive Jesus Himself personally in Covenant Communion.

Jesus established this simple Eucharistic feast so that we could receive Him in Covenant Communion through all time. That’s the amazing unfathomable Love He has for us.

Those are metaphors man

is Jesus really a door?

Is Jesus really a vine?

think about it!!

We are remembering the redemption that He accomplished at Calvary

 

[Marooncat79]

Basically it comes down to for me, if the Eucharist isn’t Jesus, then you aren’t receiving Communion. So a total waste of time otherwise. I’d be better off reserving Sunday’s for water sports or the drag races, and perhaps monster trucks.

If the bread and wine remain what they are, to me they are like empty husks in a far off sty.
Bread and wine do not give life, but Jesus Body and Blood does give life.

This is Jesus own words

“ He who eats my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day; for my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. “

From this we learn that, Jesus flesh is real food and his blood is real drink, and that we are to eat his flesh and drink his blood.

We know this is Covenant Communion exchange of Persons, because he also says.

“ He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood, abides in me and I in him.”

So as with the offering of loaves and fish to Jesus to feed a multitude, by this simple offering of bread and wine, it is transformed into Body and Blood of Christ so that all called to this feast down the ages could receive Jesus Himself personally in Covenant Communion.

Jesus established this simple Eucharistic feast so that we could receive Him in Covenant Communion through all time. That’s the amazing unfathomable Love He has for us.

Yes, you are correct. Better to stay home and not mock Christ and His atonement than to denigrate it by transubstatiation

 

[Marooncat79]

Fast forward

he starts talking about Clement at the 14 minutes mark

 

[Marooncat79]

Clement of Rome, 4th Pastor of the Church at Rome, in 90ad proclaiming that salvation is not by works, but by faith alone. 24 minute mark

 

[Cathode]

Yes, you are correct. Better to stay home and not mock Christ and His atonement than to denigrate it by transubstatiation

All that transubstantiation means is that it’s Jesus fully present, in His humanity and Divinity. Do you at least believe that Jesus is somehow spiritually present in Communion? Or is it not Communion in your belief?

Don’t you believe Jesus has the power to make Himself fully present in the Eucharist?

Jesus has the power, trust me.

But what goes beyond our understanding is the great Love Jesus has to come to us in this humble way, so as to have Covenant Communion with us down to this time.
Jesus sustains us with His very self.

I think most Protestants do believe that Jesus has the power to make Himself fully present in Communion. I don’t think that’s the issue.

Perhaps it’s the incredible Love and humility that’s in this Covenant feast that people find hard to accept, don’t know? It goes well beyond human understanding, only Faith can carry a man over, human reasoning hits a brick wall.

I can only trust Jesus words, I only believe it because Jesus said it. If Jesus didn’t say it, I wouldn’t believe it.

“ My Flesh is real food and my blood is real drink “

“ Take this all of you and eat it, this is my Body.”

“ Take this all of you and drink of it, this the Cup of my Blood. The blood of the new and everlasting Covenant”

Jesus didn’t require the Apostles to understand, He required them to believe.

It would utterly destroy my faith if I thought that Jesus was lying here, I would be down at monster trucks on Sunday to get my sunburn and hangover with every other pagan drongo.

But as it is, I have gone all in on Jesus words, only He has the words of Everlasting Life.

 

[Cathode]

Those are metaphors man

is Jesus really a door?

Is Jesus really a vine?

think about it!!

We are remembering the redemption that He accomplished at Calvary

Jesus said that His flesh is real food and blood real drink, not symbolic food and symbolic drink.

Jesus didn’t say “ This means my body “ He said “ This is my Body “

No words of Christ can come back unfulfilled, He is The Truth Incarnate, there is no lie in Him.

What Jesus says, IS. Jesus is reality.

Jesus said “ My Flesh is real food and my blood real drink “ and people are saying “ no it isn’t “. Why are people trying to convince me Jesus is wrong?

A far as I’m concerned I believe Jesus has Infinite Power and Infinite Intelligence, so if those are the actual words He used, that is reality, that is Truth.

 

[Cathode]

Among some other beliefs that I understand not to be taught in the New Testament.]

Jesus says it flat out “ My Flesh is real food and my blood is real drink “

I grant that is your persuasion. I think I made it clear that Jesus teaching on Himself being the real Manna, the true bread from Heaven is not His teaching of the remembrance, Luke 22:19-20. [John 6:47, ". . . Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. . . ."

People aren’t believething if they don’t believe Jesus words.

Peter had to make a supernatural act of faith in Jesus words to believe. Other disciples could not believe Jesus words and no longer followed him, because they had no faith, and human reason profits nothing.

To travel beyond human reason, wings of Faith must carry a man aloft.

“Yet there are some of you who do not believe.”For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. ”

Only a supernatural Faith granted by the Father can believe that Jesus flesh is real food and blood is real drink. Human reason fails precisely at this point and to go further Great Faith is required.

Every soul must pass through this Singularity of Faith, to believe Jesus words.