Romans 10:14

[Martin Marprelate]

This was also mentioned in the Jan edition of Banner of Truth.

Romans 10:14, NKJV (and most other versions). 'How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?'

Romans 10:14, NASB. 'How then shall they call on Him on whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?' The difference is the one little word 'of.'

I'm not sure that the Greek can help us, though @John of Japan may correct me. The point is the importance of Biblical preaching.. We must preach Christ, not merely about Christ.

 

[McCree79]

"πῶς δὲ πιστεύσωσιν οὗ οὐκ ἤκουσαν"

Perhaps both are possible, but the NASB seems to be the more straight forward of the two. Though Paul may just be saying, "How can they believe if they have not heard?" No need to add "Him". Though ist seems both are carrying "εἰς ὃν" forward (from previous verse) to help us follow what is being believed in, which then forces us to add "whom" or "of whom".

While you say this,

We must preach Christ, not merely about Christ.

Is preaching affected by either translation? I would say no. I would say an individual preacher would preach the text the same from either the NJKV or NASB. I don't see the difference as having much significance.

There is a textual variant, but is has to do with the tense of "believe", not to what or who is being heard.

 

[37818]

Both the TR and CT have ου. Of whom.

 

[McCree79]

Both the TR and CT have ου. Of whom.

Opps....I read it as ου....like you wrote...which means "no". However it does not say "ου", it says "ού" or ός in the genitive which is indeed "of whom". Those pesky breathing marks. Good catch. Thanks

*to be more accurate I read it as an emphatic negative; "ου ουκ"
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[McCree79]

"πῶς δὲ πιστεύσωσιν οὗ οὐκ ἤκουσαν"

Perhaps both are possible, but the NASB seems to be the more straight forward of the two. Though Paul may just be saying, "How can they believe if they have not heard?" No need to add "Him". Though ist seems both are carrying "εἰς ὃν" forward (from previous verse) to help us follow what is being believed in, which then forces us to add "whom" or "of whom".

While you say this,

Is preaching affected by either translation? I would say no. I would say an individual preacher would preach the text the same from either the NJKV or NASB. I don't see the difference as having much significance.

There is a textual variant, but is has to do with the tense of "believe", not to what or who is being heard.

Disregard this post. I read ού has ου. That breathing mark changes the word.

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[37818]

Disregard this post. I read ού has ου. That breathing mark changes the word.

Cite a manuscript that uses said breathing marks. Modern New Testament texts (like a TR, MT, CT) do. The electronic editions I use omit them by choice.

 

[McCree79]

Cite a manuscript that uses said breathing marks. Modern New Testament texts (like a TR, MT, CT) do. The electric editions I use omit them by choice.

I am not digging through manuscripts to prove or not proof something that does not matter. I read the NA28 and Robinsons Byzantine. They have breathing marks. This helps recognize the difference between ου and ού. It helps us pronounce the words as well

But if you want some Codex Vaticanus has the occasional breathing and accent mark. So does the P.Rly 16, p44, 07,

1415 is filled with marks as is the minuscule tradition.

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[McCree79]

Cite a manuscript that uses said breathing marks. Modern New Testament texts (like a TR, MT, CT) do. The electronic editions I use omit them by choice.

If you want to go really authentic, you need to go all caps and no spaces.

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[37818]

I read the NA28 and Robinsons Byzantine. They have breathing marks.

All my printed editions use the marks.
Doesn't change the grammar or translation.

 

[37818]

If you want to go really authentic, you need to go all caps and no spaces.

Has nothing to do with it.

 

[McCree79]

All my printed editions use the marks.
Doesn't change the grammar or translation.

The breathing mark on ού certainly changes translation. οὐ and οὗ are different words.


ὅς (hos) is the lexical form of οὗ which means "who, what, which..."

οὐ means "no, not, no way"

I updated my keyboard so I can spin the accents marks and marked "no" so you can see they face different directions. The οὗ contains a breathing mark changes the word and will result in a different translation.




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[John of Japan]

Πῶς οὖν ἐπικαλέσονται εἰς ὃν οὐκ ἐπίστευσαν; Πῶς δὲ πιστεύσουσιν οὗ οὐκ ἤκουσαν; Πῶς δὲ ἀκούσουσιν χωρὶς κηρύσσοντος; (Rom. 10:14, Byz).

John of Japan Lifeline version:
１４　ところで、信じたことのない方を、どうすれば呼び求めることができるでしょうか。また、聞いたこともない方を、どうすれば信じ得ましょうか。また、説く人がいなくては、どうすれば聞くことができましょうか。

Oh, wait, you guys probably want the JoJ English version:
"But how will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how will they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a proclaimer?"

Our Japanese version is a little more ambiguous. Back translated into English it could be either "of whom" or "whom."

 

[John of Japan]

Disregard this post. I read ού has ου. That breathing mark changes the word.

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I'm very strict on those breathing marks. Miss one on a quiz or text, you lose a point. Oddly, some students go through both semesters and never quite conquer the breathing marks!

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Πῶς οὖν ἐπικαλέσονται εἰς ὃν οὐκ ἐπίστευσαν; Πῶς δὲ πιστεύσουσιν οὗ οὐκ ἤκουσαν; Πῶς δὲ ἀκούσουσιν χωρὶς κηρύσσοντος; (Rom. 10:14, Byz).

John of Japan Lifeline version:
１４　ところで、信じたことのない方を、どうすれば呼び求めることができるでしょうか。また、聞いたこともない方を、どうすれば信じ得ましょうか。また、説く人がいなくては、どうすれば聞くことができましょうか。

Oh, wait, you guys probably want the JoJ English version:
"But how will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how will they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a proclaimer?"

Our Japanese version is a little more ambiguous. Back translated into English it could be either "of whom" or "whom."

Google Translate for back translation:

"But how can you call on the One you have never believed in? And how can I believe in him whom I have never heard of? And if there is no one to preach, how can one hear?"