Romans 8:8

[quantumfaith]

So, the last time you sinned willfully it was God's fault for not granting your the measure of grace you needed to yield? Doesn't that make you feel like you're off the hook, so to speak?

Yet, 1 Cor. 10 teaches that we will never be tempted beyond what we can bare. Which is it?

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[Skandelon]

Your argument makes grace obligatory on God's part.

No, it doesn't. I never once said God was obligated to give you enough grace to resist. I asked if you believe he does and your first answer seemed to suggest that he does grant you that ability, but now you believe he doesn't. I don't even make an argument for or against God's obligation in your system...I just asked questions and you don't seem to like the conclusions of your own system...at least that is how it appears to me.

Is God to be blamed for failing to provide immediate sanctifying grace since it is in His power to do so IF he so chose?

I don't know, you tell me, we are talking about YOUR SYSTEM, not mine. This is not an issue in our system because we affirm free human agency and the ability to choose between available options....otherwise known as "RESPONSE-ABILITY."

So which is it? Is God obligated to provde the grace that can eliminate sin altogether from our life or is He under no such obligation? Is he to be blamed for our sins since His grace is sufficient for immediate sanctification or is He just to limit the measure of grace and faith which allows for sin in our lives? Which is it?

Are these questions for me and my system, or questions for those who hold to your beliefs?

Apparently for your system God is NOT obligated to provide you enough grace to resist temptation, thus when you do willfully sin it is ultimately because God didn't choose to give you enough grace to resist it...and that is ok because God is not obligated to do so. Does that sum it up correctly?

 

[The Biblicist]

No, it doesn't. I never once said God was obligated to give you enough grace to resist. I asked if you believe he does and your first answer seemed to suggest that he does grant you that ability, but now you believe he doesn't. I don't even make an argument for or against God's obligation in your system...I just asked questions and you don't seem to like the conclusions of your own system...at least that is how it appears to me.

I don't know, you tell me, we are talking about YOUR SYSTEM, not mine. This is not an issue in our system because we affirm free human agency and the ability to choose between available options....otherwise known as "RESPONSE-ABILITY."

Are these questions for me and my system, or questions for those who hold to your beliefs?

Apparently for your system God is NOT obligated to provide you enough grace to resist temptation, thus when you do willfully sin it is ultimately because God didn't choose to give you enough grace to resist it...and that is ok because God is not obligated to do so. Does that sum it up correctly?

So it has come down to this? I am in a debate with myself and with my own system while you are an innocent bystander who takes no position?????? Well, I guess the only sane thing to do is to stop arguing with myself and find something better to do.