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Romans 9

Dave G

Dave G

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Eternally Grateful said:
hopefully people read, I saw the other person was asking from someone to give another view. so I did
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Replying from some posts that I saw earlier.

I was asking Charlie, EG.
That said, going back and reading through your posts ( which I did far too quickly the first time ), I see that I've made a serious mistake and classified them as "summaries"...

Which they are not.

I therefore ask your personal forgiveness and will endeavor to slow down and read more carefully in the future.
Even though I do not agree with your explanation of the passage, I do acknowledge that you have made an effort at thoroughly trying to make someone who may end up disagreeing with you, see how you've come to understand it for yourself.


May God bless you, as well.
 
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Charlie24

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Dave G said:
Replying from some posts that I saw earlier.

I was asking Charlie, EG.
That said, going back and reading through your posts ( which I did far too quickly the first time ), I see that I've made a serious mistake and classified them as "summaries"...

Which they are not.

I therefore ask your personal forgiveness and will endeavor to slow down and read more carefully in the future.

Even though I do not agree with your explanation of the passage, I do acknowledge that you have made an effort at thoroughly trying to make someone who may end up disagreeing with you, see how you've come to understand it for yourself.


May God bless you, as well.
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I knew you were a nice guy with a heart for God.

It's evident from your posts.
 
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Charlie24

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Charlie24 said:
22 Paul now brings the "longsuffering" of God in the picture.

By the fact of existing "vessels of dishonor" God has the right to show His wrath toward disobedient man. But yet, He endures with much longsuffering these "vessels of dishonor."

This is just the opposite of TULIP! If these "vessels of dishonor" are fitted for destruction, what is the point of God's longsuffering with them? The longsuffering of God is actually the mercy of God extended to rebellious man for an unknown period of time. A period of time of His choosing through His foreknowledge.

1 Peter 1:2 KJV
"Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied."

Whether we like it or not, agree or not, the Elect are chosen by the foreknowledge of God. Also through His foreknowledge He strives with much longsuffering the "vessels of dishonor" showing them His mercy that will be shown to them at the Judgment.

23 "And that He might make known the riches of His Glory on the vessels of mercy."
God bears with much longsuffering with the "vessels of dishonor" AND He also will make known the riches of His glory to the "vessels of mercy."

"which He had afore prepared unto glory" God chooses His elect through His foreknowledge, knowing beforehand they will believe. He predestined before the foundation of the world these "to be conformed into the image of Christ" through His plan of redemption.

Ongoing??
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Out of respect for your previous request to continue in Rom. 9, I've decided to do so, only for you to understand my point of view. I think it very important, actually a necessity that we understand one another's view.

I wasn't joking about being lazy, or I should say fidgety as I'm older now. I've done this sort of thing for many years but now it mentally exhausts me to the point of a nerve type agitation, and to my shame I avoid it now. So I will finish but with a time allowance in my situation.

24 Now Paul brings the salvation of the Gentiles into focus. Those "whom He has called, not of the Jews only but also of the Gentiles."

God has always intended that the Gentiles would have the opportunity to be saved. But it was necessary for God to offer Salvation first to the Jews. He would give them the Law in preparation for their coming Christ. They were to accept their Christ and announce Him to the world, bringing salvation to the Gentile world. That was their calling of God, the reason and purpose they were chosen.

25 Paul is here referring to Hosea 1:23 where "I will call them my people which were not my people" referring to the Gentiles being offered salvation, even though it was first offered to Israel. I might also add that God offering salvation to the Gentiles was a great stumbblingblock for Israel.

26 Here again Paul is speaking of the "people that were not my people" the Gentiles, They were not chosen of God, it was Israel that was chosen for the specific purpose of bringing the Christ in the world and announcing Him to the world (the Gentiles).

Continue tomorrow.
 
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Charlie24

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Alan Dale Gross said:
All you have to do is say, "I don't believe the Bible."

It'd save a lot of writing for you.
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That's not nice, Alan, that is the precise type attitude that brings on my fidgety condition that continuously afflicts me.

I've discussed it many times with my doctor and they give me medication, but to no avail.

I suppose I will eventually have to separate myself from the sources that bring on this effect.

Including participating on the forums. I know it's just a matter of time for me.
 
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