Romans Chapter Eleven

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Ed S,

My remarks in Post #12 were a response to part of RJ's original Post #1:

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PROPHETICALLY, these verses point to the salvation of the Jews in the great tribulation. Elijah shows up in Revelation 11 and the Jews are required to bow down to an image of the Antichrist or they will die (Revelation 13:14-15).

At that time, it will take MORE that receiving Christ to save a person. The Body of Christ has been completed and has been raptured to Heaven. The Holy Spirit is no longer INDWELLING believers as He was in the Church age. There are TWO bodies of believers on earth:

1. a Gentile body (Revelation 7:9 and 7:14)
2. a Jewish body (Revelation 7:4-8)

In that day, a person is saved by trusting in Christ AND keeping the commandments of God (Revelation 14:12). Worshipping the Antichrist and his image is an automatic ticket to Hell (Revelation 14:9-11).
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I naturally objected to his unproven assumptions:
1. That the Holy Spirit will no longer "indwell" believers in the tribulation.
2. Salvation will be obtained by "more than receiving Christ to be saved".
3. There are "two bodies" of believers on earth during great tribulation.
4. Anyone worshiping the AC has an "automatic ticket to Hell".

When I asked RJ if #4 meant that God will be unable to save worshipers
of the Beast, he denied that he said "the two bodies of believers will not
be indwelt by the Holy Spirit" during the great tribulation and claimed that
Gentiles could "lose their salvation" during that same period. He also affirmed that God could save anyone at any time.

Ed,
You raised the question of why some things RJ wrote had elicited a response and other things he wrote did not evoke a response. What
was your motive in asking such a question unless you were asking for the reason we made them...none of which were congratulatory?

I didn't see how RJ could label Charles Spurgeon as guilty of being
"ignorant and deceitful" after calling him an Amil. Tom Butler said he fell
"asleep" reading RJ's stuff. I thought of how Spurgeon, being "asleep in Jesus", is unable to defend himself; for I know Spurgeon was Pre-Mil.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

Your right about Spurgeon. His pre - mil could be classed as classic, but it was still Pre - mil as was John Gill's.

 

[Mel Miller]

I suggest that you post those statements that "seem to contradict the truth", give your scriptural case for what your believe to be the truth and I will respond accordingly.

There is no "Church Overcomers" term in the scriptures. This is a manufactured term to support your false supposition that Revelation 2 and 3 speak of the body of Christ. These chapters speak of assemblies of end times Jews. There are at least 15 scriptural reasons for this, the most significant of which is the fact that there are LIARS who say they are JEWS within these assemblies.

1. The Millennial Kingdom is the promised EARTHLY kingdom to the Jews.
2. Members of the body of Christ are promised an HEAVENLY inheritance with at least one caveat.
3. Those members of the body of Christ who SUFFER with Christ will be JOINT HEIRS (i.e. both earthly and heavenly).
4. Martyred Tribulation Saints are given esteemed positions within the Millennial Kingdom which is PRIMARILY for Israel.
5. Members of the body of Christ are REWARDED at the Judgment Seat of Christ which is in HEAVEN and apart from Daniel's 70th week and the Millennial Kingdom.

In Christ,

Jim

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Jim,
I followed your request to post the truth and you said you would respond!
That was two days before Christmas!! Your view of reward to the Martyrs
places them on the earth during the Millennium; but John sees them in
Heaven "serving God as pillars in the Temple" with blessings that the rest
of the Saints will not experience for another thousand years!!!

I still wonder if you will respond and explain why the Martyrs will "serve God as pillars in the Temple for 1000 years", who you allege were not INDWELT by the Holy Spirit on earth; yet they suddenly become recipients of the highest possible reward promised to "Church Overcomers"...having been martyred and are already seen in heaven before Jesus comes with His rewards for "every believer"!?! Rev.3:11-12; Matt.16:27; Rev.22:12.

How can you support your statement that the "Churches of Rev.2-3 are
assemblies of endtimes Jews"? Why did you not respond, as promised, to
give 15 reasons for your view?? Does it seem too realistic that God would
reward Tribulation Martyrs with 1000 years of blessings before He creates
the New Heaven in which all the Bride will dwell??? Rev.3:12; Rev.7:15-17; Rev.20:4-5.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

[Mel Miller]

Friends,

What make Romans 11:25-27 so important?

The very Day of God's Vengeance (2 Thess.1:8-10) upon those guilty of shedding the blood of the Martyrs of Jesus and refusing to repent of their evil deeds terminates the "Days of Vengeance and Wrath" overhanging God's former people, the Jews, since AD 70! Luke 21:22-24.

"Jerusalem will be trodden under the feet of Genitles until the Times of the Gentiles are fulfilled"! Luke 21:24. The End of the Age occurs at the killing of the Two Witnesses when tbe 1260 days of "Chronos-Time" and their task are finished...no longer subject to a countdown!! Rev.10:6-7; 11:6-7. Dispensationalists preempt (disable) the fulfillment of Rev.10:6-7 at the End of the Age when "God's Mystery was finished (past tense) in the days whenever the 7th Trumpet is about (present tense) to sound"!!!

Dispensational Doctrine places the "Fulness of the Gentiles" 1260 days prior to Midweek rather than 1260 days after Midweek of Daniel's 70th Seven! Their doctrine separates the Rapture of the Saints from the DAY of salvation for "all Jews of the houses of Jacob and Israel" by seven years rather than both being fulfilled at the End of the Age...on the Day of Vengeance to avenge the blood of the Martyrs and to deliver every Believer"!! The "Days of Vengeance" for all Jews ends at the "fulness of Gentile times on the Day of Vengeance with Christ coming to deliver every believer who believes because of Paul's Gospel and at the same time in flaming fire to destroy earth's destroyers"!!! 2 Thess.1:8-10; Rev.11:18.

The deeper significance for the "fulness of the Gentiles" resides in God's plan to "show mercy to all" mankind (Rom.11:32-33) for 1000 years! Salvation will finally come to both Jews and Gentiles alike after God has demonstrated both Israel and the Nations have rejected Jesus!! Restored Israel will bring the knowledge of God to everyone during the iron-like rule of Christ in person over all the nations!!!

IN THE NEW COVENANT,
"God no longer remembers the sins of the Houses of Judah and Israel! For
everyone will know the Lord, from the least to the greatest!! The old covenant, made old and growing aged, is near the vanishing point"!!! Heb.8:6-13.

We need to line-up the End of the Age with the termination of God's Mystery when armies are gathered to Armageddon! In that context Jesus promises to bless every believer who WATCHES, for "Behold, He is coming like a thief" and urges believers to stay clothed and not be seen naked and be ashamed on the Day the 7th Angel sounds that "God's wrath has come"!!! Rev.11:7-18; Rev.16:14-17.

"Chronos-Time, God's Mystery and the Times of the Gentiles are fulfilled in the days whenever the 7th Trumpet is about to sound that God's wrath has come and the appointed time to Judge (Resurrect and Reward) the Saints"! All this happens on the same day the Two Witnesses and the 144,000 are taken to heaven!! Because Jesus promised to rescue the Jews and "raise up and gather every believer to Himself" before the Hour of Trial "comes on all the inhabitants on all the face of all the earth"!!! Rev.3:10-11; Mark 13:27; Matt. 24:31; Luke 21:25-36.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net