Romney is Fast Rising as a Serious Contender

If Romney is a practicing, temple Mormon, then it would be an accurate statement to say that he likely did indeed consult with the LDS prophet before signing legislation. Mormons teach and believe that it is their destiny to control the US government. They are working very hard to convince people they are not a cult, but a legitimate expression of Christianity, in fact, a more legitimate expression of it than exists elsewhere. They will use any support that evangelical, right wing Christians give to a Mormon candidate for office, regardless of whether he is in Massachussetts, Texas or Utah, as evidence that the rest of us consider them brothers and sisters in Christ, and as mainstream.

Since you seem to be pushing him so hard on this board, I can only assume that you have no objection to Mormon theology or practice, and that you believe that Mormons teach salvation by grace through faith and their teachings convert people and lead them to heaven when they die.

 

I personaly dont trust him to be any different then all the other LDS polititions I have experiance with.

That is my personal opinion.

IF you believed that a prophet of God walked on this earth and you were POTUS, would you consult the prophet of God before making decitions?

I would

 

You bet they will. Look up the "white horse prophacy" JS prophasied that a mormon would be POTUS and save the country.

I would not go that far.

 

The singular word "ambassador" was used in the Bible (KJV) four times, thrice in the Old Testament, once in the New (Ephesians 6:20), all usage within the context and indicative of someone representing higher authority, personal designates.

The plural word "ambassadors" was used eight times in the Bible, seven times in the Old Testament, once in the New, in 2 Corinthians 5:20 from which you get your teaching that all believers are ambassadors for Christ (or do you mean all pastors).

This is erroneous teaching, if one contends that is what the Scripture teaches and what Paul was teaching.

Study the context of 2 Corinthians and find for yourself that Paul often speaks in terms of "you" and "us" about those in the church. The ambassadors for Christ are those who were chosen and separated for the ministry, first the apostles, personal designates of the Church Founder and Redeemer, and by extension, those on whom they lay their hands on.

The fact you state is no fact at all.

Secondly, Paul, from whose writing you take your quote, is the same Paul who told the Romans, obviously brethren living under a pagan governance, to "submit themselves" to authority. Not once in the Bible does it say that we are to endeavor to be represented in secular government only by those who name the Name of Christ as Lord and Savior.

Christians, those who belong to Christ, are nomads, wanderers, pilgrims, in a fallen, judged world, which will soon meet its Creator. We look for a better City, whose builder is God, who has sent His ambassadors, those who are His called ministers among His redeemed, to represent Him in dealing with His people, scattered in this fallen world.

Our God's Kingdom is not of this world.

As far as this world is concerned, we are to live peaceably with those around us, submit to civil government, obey the laws of the land, and glorify God in our midst.

Electing someone to public office has nothing to do with our salvation.

 

This is interesting. So a Christian does not represent Jesus Christ in his or her life? I don't know how many preachers I have heard pound the pulpit telling the flock to behave like Jesus because others are watching you. I always heard like Father like son. But you believe a Christian should detach himself from representing Jesus Christ.

God Bless!

 

pinoybaptist

I am surprised at your conclusion that the teaching from Paul about being ambassadors for Christ should only be applied to the apostles or pastors. Paul said different times...

"Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me. "

"For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church. " (1Cr 4:16-17)

Peter said...

"For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: (1Pt 2:21)

As for "ambassadors" not being for us sheep I did some baptist research to make sure I was not taking things out of context because I am a strong proponent for keeping scripture in it's proper framework. Here is what I found from one commentary I own...

"The ministry of reconcilliation invovles calling upon men to demonstrate a changed life and so Paul considered himself, and all who are truly born again, to be ambassadors for Christ. Paul did not usurp authority to himself. His ministry at Corinth was representative."

This from Daniel R. Mitchell, Th.D; Former professer of Theology, Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary; Retired B.A., Washington Bible College; Th.M., Capital Bible Seminary; S.T.M., Dallas Theological Seminary; Th.D., Dallas Theological Seminary.

I must stick with my initial understanding that all Christians are called to be ambassadors for Christ.

God Bless!

 

Steaver:

To answer your post will be tantamount to hijacking this thread which I have no intention of doing out of respect for all who are posting in this thread including yourself.
So I will simply start another thread in an appropriate forum and let us discuss your contention that all Christians, whoever these Christians are, were called to be ambassadors of Christ.
I will probably be alone in that corner.
However, today is my last day of the workweek, and tomorrow my weekend begins.
Till then.

pb

 

I admire the way Romney has conducted himself as governor of Mass., from what I know of it. However, the position that he is taking now pubicly on abortion and gay rights appears to be quite different from the position he took several years ago when he ran against Ted Kennedy for Senator from Mass. It seems that his core beliefs are mushy and subject to change based upon the political pressure he faces. I don't think he is a dream candidate for conservatives but we may have to take what we can get.

 

If that is true, then he's a politician, long and short.

 

It would seem that there is some consulting going on.

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Now, whether he did it as Governor or not, and with all decisions or not, I don't know. But to me, as a Christian, I can't and won't vote for him.


Jamie

 

Maybe I am missing something....the man is a Mormon...who would we expect him to consult? To me this is a non-issue.

 

Hi KenH,

I am keeping an open mind about Romney. His current positions as stated make him the best candidate among the Republicans on the issues. Campaigns are long and they tend, at some point, to catch a candidate in an unguarded moment so that we see their true character (think George Allen here). Reagan showed himself to be a man of principle. I hope Romney proves to be the same, but I think the does have something to prove at this point.

 

Romney will not get my vote. Period.

 

You didn't miss anything. I can't see myself voting for a Mormon. Call it a personal choice if you want, but I can't and won't vote for him, and with the exception of him converting to a true Religion, I won't change my mind.

Jamie
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