Roy Moore announces candidacy in Alabama gubernatorial race

[go2church]

Being a white man I am sure you would understand the plight of the African-American in Alabama!

I don't know what to say. I have story after story of looks, geers, run-in's with school administration and other blatant racist comments directed to me and the girls of the group home I worked at that your comment that no one is listening is so funny that it is sad.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I am saddened that you have had those experiences. I assume from your comment though that Alabama is the only place you have encountered racism?

 

[fromtheright]

G2C,

Being a white man I am sure you would understand the plight of the African-American in Alabama!

Oh geez, here we go again. The "you've got nothing to say to me because you're white" mantra. Try it on someone else. I'm VERY sorry for the things you experienced here. They're awful and I certainly don't deny them, and I am surprised, shocked, sickened, and angered (and yes, embarrassed for Alabama) that this happened. There is no excuse for it. But take your own racist comments somewhere else.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by go2church:
Being a white man I am sure you would understand the plight of the African-American in Alabama!

Now, now, let's get them the benefit of the doubt. I certainly don't hold these folks here responsible for the views and actions of others. I'm glad that you're sharing your account of bigotry experienced firsthand (because we all need to take a firm stand against this sort of thing), but I certainly hope you don't hold the posters here responsible for that.

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by gb93433:
What do you think of the article?

Well, since he's already demonstrated an inability to follow the law, going into politics seems a natural thing to do. </font>[/QUOTE]That is true of anti-abortionists as well as Jesus and his disciples.

 

[fromtheright]

And perhaps I overstated. I know racism still exists in Alabama and there are pockets still of very deep prejudice. And in north Alabama, at least in Huntsville, we are rather typically sheltered from such attitudes. My point is that whereas before most all whites were and most everyone knew it, that the racists were able to shout it from street corners to acclaim, now bigots have to be more restrained and circumspect and now have to generally move around like roaches.

But I still think we've just seen a display of some reverse racism in the "It's a black thing, you wouldn't understand" answer.

Won't dwell on that anymore.

 

[go2church]

Originally posted by fromtheright:
G2C,

Being a white man I am sure you would understand the plight of the African-American in Alabama!

Oh geez, here we go again. The "you've got nothing to say to me because you're white" mantra. Try it on someone else. I'm VERY sorry for the things you experienced here. They're awful and I certainly don't deny them, and I am surprised, shocked, sickened, and angered (and yes, embarrassed for Alabama) that this happened. There is no excuse for it. But take your own racist comments somewhere else.

What was racist about my comment? I am not saying you can't or don't have anything to offer to the discussion on racism because you are white. I am saying that it is impossible for you to know what an African-American (or in my case Puerto Rican) goes through in mostly white Alabama. You don't and never will! The very fact that you are "surprised" and "shocked" by these things happening tells me you are woefully uninformed about the true racial situation of Alabama.

 

[go2church]

Back to the topic at hand...
Moore is a loon and the folks in Alabama could do alot better. But because of the powers that be (folks that still wish for the days of "seperate but equal" among other equally detestable things), the people that would be much better governors, won't get a chance. The comment was more about the good ol' boy network then about race specifically, although this is a part of it.

And no Alabama wasn't the only place I experienced racism, but it was by far the worst.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I agree FTR, there seem to be some who consider that white men have no right to even discuss their views on changes in racism since they are not "men of colour." While maintaining that they "have a right" on one hand the charge is made that they are "woefully uniformed" on the other.

I reject that notion. I have been an Alabamian for 45 of my 50 years. Yes, Hunstsville is sheltered from some of what happens. Yet, there have been obvious chages in Alabama, and hopefully other states as well. It is not the rampant, pervading racism that was there 40 years ago. Were you refused service? Did you have to go to a "colored" toilet or water fountain?

Why Alabama G2C? Are you somehow implying that your perception of racism is unique to that state?

I am sickened by this charge that somehow Alabama had a monopoly on racism.

How did our thread on Judge Moore become sidetracked onto Alabamians as being racists?

 

[go2church]

Moore is running for office in Alabama, do you expect me to discuss the situation in Texas? I will if you want, but it doesn't seem germane to the topic at hand.

I didn't say they couldn't discuss their views, discuss away. Just don't claim things aren't what they really are just because you haven't seen or experienced them. What you hope Alabama to be is different then what Alabama really is. I'm sorry that is pains you 'Bama folks so greatly, but the truth is the truth. Fact of the matter is you could say this for alot of states/ areas. Alabama just happen to be the topic at hand.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

So Alabamians should just stand by and let racist comments be made and accept those comments as fact? How does your two years of residency make you more qualifed than life-long residents of the state? Are you implying that only men of colour have the wisdom to make this kind of judgement? You sidetracked a legitimate thread with comments about a state that longs for the "separate but equal" days and expect that charge to go unchallanged?

I despise racims of any ilk and from any source.

Let us please return to the topic at hand and cease with the generalised attacks.

 

[fromtheright]

G2C,

I am shocked because it is shocking behavior, no matter where you're at.

I'm tempted to go further with your other comments but it's off topic and a waste of my time anyway.

But I will ask, are you saying that Moore's supporters are racists? I won't deny that there are racists among them. There were undoubtedly Klansmen who voted for the last few Republican Presidential candidates but that doesn't make the candidates bigots. But to use such a broad brush about Moore's support is unconscionable and vicious. I don't care for Moore and make no bones about it, but the people who support him are generally people that would honored to sit down and eat with you with no thought of color, they're good people.

And you should consider C4K's point. We've "come a long way, baby". I remember "whites only" water fountains and segregated serving counters, though fortunately I wasn't on the receiving end of such despicable treatment. If you think that Bull Connor's firehoses are still at the ready, I'm clearly not the one with trouble seeing reality.

 

[fromtheright]

Oops, C4K, I was working on the last response "in the hopper" for a while before I posted it, and had started before your last one. To keep to the topic at hand, G2C is certainly welcome to ignore my last one.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I also have clearly stated that I in no way would consider voting for Judge Moore. I hope a viable alternative comes to the fore.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by gb93433:
That is true of anti-abortionists as well as Jesus and his disciples.

Really? Most anti-abortionists I know are law abiding Christians, Muslims, and Jews. And to the best of my knowlege, I can find no place where Jesus broke the law. In fact, Pilate said very clearly that he could find no guilt in Jesus.

In any event, it's not acceptible for a judge. A judge is supposed to uphold and interpret the law. We complain all the time when liberal activist judges fail to do this, so it's obviously equally wrong when conservative activist judges do it.

Moore is by no means Christ, nor was his violation of the law Christlike.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Agreed 100% Johnv

 

[fromtheright]

I also can't imagine that Judge Moore would have been very tolerant, when a Circuit Court judge in Gadsden, of someone standing before him and pleading he was ignorant of the law or that Moore had no legal authority to render a sentence or decision.

BTW, John, thanks for getting us back on topic!

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by gb93433:
That is true of anti-abortionists as well as Jesus and his disciples.

Really? Most anti-abortionists I know are law abiding Christians, Muslims, and Jews. And to the best of my knowlege, I can find no place where Jesus broke the law. In fact, Pilate said very clearly that he could find no guilt in Jesus.

In any event, it's not acceptible for a judge. A judge is supposed to uphold and interpret the law. We complain all the time when liberal activist judges fail to do this, so it's obviously equally wrong when conservative activist judges do it.

Moore is by no means Christ, nor was his violation of the law Christlike. </font>[/QUOTE]Jesus picked grain on the sabbath. Daniel prayed.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by gb93433:
Jesus picked grain on the sabbath. Daniel prayed.

Those were not vilations of the spirit of the Sabbath. Pharisees attempted to accuse Jesus of violating the Sabbath, but they were wrong.

 

[Marcia]

Originally posted by gb93433:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by gb93433:
What do you think of the article?

Well, since he's already demonstrated an inability to follow the law, going into politics seems a natural thing to do. </font>[/QUOTE]That is true of anti-abortionists as well as Jesus and his disciples. </font>[/QUOTE]Jesus went out of his way to follow the Roman law, like paying taxes. I don't know of one example where he disobeyed the law. He did violate some of the manmade laws the Pharisees had in place but that is not the same as breaking the civil law (or God's law). Jesus was not a lawbreaker.

This is also true of the disciples.