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Roy Moore continued. Who are the law breakers?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Dale-c, Jun 1, 2006.

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  1. Dale-c

    Dale-c Active Member

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    That is pure speculation and I have seen absolutely zero evidence of it. PLease prove your accusation.

    No, who you vote for is your own business, Siding with the ACLU when they attack Christianity IS a "vote against Christianity" whether you realize it or not.

    Your accusation has no merit. PLease refrain from making such accusations without evidence!
     
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    And I think your ignorance of Biblical and historical law to be a disgrace. But the most disgraceful is when Christians side with the ACLU in an antiChrist battle!
     
    #62 Dale-c, Jun 7, 2006
  3. Gunther

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    Dale, standing for the 10 commandments isn't a stand for Christianity. Your theology of salvation and sanctification is so pathetic, only your support for Moore eclipses it.
     
    #63 Gunther, Jun 7, 2006
  4. NaasPreacher (C4K)

    NaasPreacher (C4K) Well-Known Member

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    It is obvious Dale that you are not an Alabamian. Virtually every political ad in the state highlighted the individual candidate's faith and acknowledgement of God.

    Moore has no monopoly on faith in the great state of Alabama.
     
    #64 NaasPreacher (C4K), Jun 8, 2006
  5. Dale-c

    Dale-c Active Member

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    Look, I am not trying to be unfriendly here. Also, I know most politicians in Alabama claim to be Christian. It is after deep in the Bible belt.

    Also, this isn't just about Roy Moore. It is just very frustrating to me that when a Christian in an elected position stands for God and righteousness against the ACLU he is called a disgrace, (remember you were the one that brought that term up)

    Look, you may not disagree with him, your understanding of the Bible may be such that you think he is wrong. But did it ever occur to your that he might actually think he was actually doing his duty?
    His first trial cost him almost $500,000 and he refused to take taxpayer money from the state.

    I can't make you change your mind in the issue, but please stop making unfounded accusations about the man's sincerity.

    I could easily say that you know he is right but are too afraid to admit it but that would only be speculation.

    PLease, before you accuse me of cursing and railing, please back up this statement:

    There is simply no proof that I have seen, or even evidence to support any dishonesty on his part.

    One last thing..
    Yes, but what will they do when they are called to act on it, and will they GOVERN Biblically and Lawfully?
    We shall see.
     
    #65 Dale-c, Jun 8, 2006
  6. NaasPreacher (C4K)

    NaasPreacher (C4K) Well-Known Member

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    No Dale, look back, you used the term "disgrace" first to refer to those of us who would not support Moore. It was your term, not mine. Here are your words

    We will never know Moore's heart - I am very suspicious of a man who pulls a publicity stunt then runs for governor the next election. Moore is a politician.
     
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  7. Dale-c

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    Really, quickly and I dont' have much time, you are right, I did use the word drsgrace first.

    As for your suspicions, they are just that. No proof.
    No, if he had been a politician, he wouldn't have stood when it cost him.
    Please do not call it a publicity stunt when you have zero evidence to back the statement up.
    If you do, have evidence, please provide it, I would like to know.
     
    #67 Dale-c, Jun 8, 2006
  8. Magnetic Poles

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    Dale,

    C4K DID state his evidence. Moore did a big publicity stunt (what else can you call it), then ran for governor in the next election. He loves attention. I also resent your calling your brothers and sisters disgraceful if they don't vote for Moore, and your comparing Democrats and Nazis. You seem to have lost all reason in regards to Moore.

    How do you know the other candidates, including Governor Riley, are not devout Christians as well?

    Putting the 10 Commandments on a giant tombstone in a state courthouse is not acknowledging God...it is using the power of his state office to promote his own religion onto all the good citizens of Alabama. Inappropriate and illegal, IMO.

    May God bless the good people of the state of Alabama! They have apparently learned a lot since electing that racist, George Wallace.
     
    #68 Magnetic Poles, Jun 8, 2006
  9. NaasPreacher (C4K)

    NaasPreacher (C4K) Well-Known Member

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    Like many Alabamians, I told severla people after his little show that his next step was to run for Governor.

    Hopefully he has that out of his system now.
     
    #69 NaasPreacher (C4K), Jun 8, 2006
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    Dale-c, :thumbs:
     
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    Another pithy and verbose assertion from LE...
     
    #71 tragic_pizza, Jun 8, 2006
  12. NaasPreacher (C4K)

    NaasPreacher (C4K) Well-Known Member

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    Are there any Alabamians on the BB who supported Moore?
     
    #72 NaasPreacher (C4K), Jun 8, 2006
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    I would call it doing his duty and standing for the acknowledgement of God.
    Again, you have no proof of his motives.


    By the way, why did you all vote for Riley when he put up a Ten Commandments display in the capitol? Or was it because he did it the "right" way, the way that doesn't say that God is sovereign?

    What was the differnce between Riley's display and Moore's display?
    I know the difference, but how do you as Christians justify that?
     
    #73 Dale-c, Jun 8, 2006
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    Alabamians who support Moore aren't coherent enough to post on a BB...

    :laugh:

    KIDDING!

    (a little)

    :laugh:
     
    #74 tragic_pizza, Jun 8, 2006
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    Who would have guessed that LE would rally behind the gullible and uninformed?
     
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  16. Dale-c

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    If I am uninformed, please inform me. BTW, have you bothered to read his book to get his side of the story?

    I didn't start this post for name calling.
    If there is info that I do not know that explains why Moore is so wrong, please let me know what it is.

    Perhaps LE simply sides with Chistians like Roy Moore rather than Aithiests like the ACLU in battles for Christianity.

    Again, I would like to know where I am "misinformed"
     
    #76 Dale-c, Jun 8, 2006
  17. NaasPreacher (C4K)

    NaasPreacher (C4K) Well-Known Member

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    Your constant unmerited charge that those who saw through Moore voted with the atheists is getting old Dale. The people of Alabama have spoken, and spoken rightly IMHO,


    Time to get a new hobby horse friend.
     
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  18. Dale-c

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    The unmerited charge that Moore was just a fake, in it for the political gain is an unmerited charge.

    No one has answered why Rileys display was ok but Moores wasn't. Some have even implied that the display was wrong anyway, regardles of the judges opinion.


    As far as a hobby horse....tell that to the ACLU as they try to eradicate all recognition of God.
     
    #78 Dale-c, Jun 9, 2006
  19. NaasPreacher (C4K)

    NaasPreacher (C4K) Well-Known Member

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    Ah yes, all we wicked Alabamians have voted for the ACLU to eradicate all acknowledgement of God in our state.

    Oh well, I guess we will just have to suffer the conequences.

    BTW - I admire Gov Riley for the wisdom to display important legal documents in a way which is not going to bring about their removal. Alabama Republicans made the right choice.

    Perhaps the next time Indiana holds elections we Alabamians should tell you how to vote and then condemn you if you don't do it our way.
     
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  20. Magnetic Poles

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    Dale,

    The reason that Riley's display was deemed appropriate, where Moore's was not, has to do with a concept established by the Supreme Court under Chief Justice Warren Burger. It is called the "Lemon Test". It is based on the principles in the Everson v. Board of Education case, and decided in Lemon v. Kurtzman. The test is worded thusly:
    Subsequent cases have interpreted this to mean that a display of the commandments on public property are acceptable if they are part of a larger display of secular documents of historic significance, thus meeting the conditions of the Lemon Test.

    Now, personally, I find that putting a few other documents with the commandments to make them palatable to be disingenuous, as it is usually used to sanitize them for display on public property, while the primary intent is still to promote religion. However, that is current case law, and it has been upheld in many cases.

    To read more on the Lemon Test, Google it, or you can start with the link below: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_test

    Hopefully this will answer your question.
     
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