Ruckmanites lying about David Cloud..................again

:laugh: The likes of me, anyway. :laugh:

 

Not me. We part ways on the blue aliens with blue blood. Everyone knows blue aliens have yellow blood.

 

I will stand forth in support of the man.
At the age of 80+ he is still going into the jails to preach repentance toward God and faith in Christ Jesus as the only hope for mankind. He still travels and preaches in various venues and still leads a local church. I only pray I am so strong at that age. Many preachers aren't. Many fall by the way side long before they reach 70.

This does NOT excuse his abrasive tongue and writings. I have and cherish many of his books. It is VERY difficult to wade through the many tirades against other prechers on every page. I think he could tone it down a bit if not cut it out altogether.

As to his wacky suppositions? I can't take him too seriously. C'mon, ten foot tall aliens with black lips shaped like leopard spots? Wierd.

Nevertheless. I admire hiim for his continued zeal in reaching the lost with the gospel of Jesus Christ. Too many here will ignore this man's great work in that area. I am happy to announce that the Lord will not.

"He that is not against Me is with Me." Seems like Jesus said that to one of His disciples who was incensed because somebody was preaching Jesus but not directly in the group of "Insiders".

 

Understand and agree. There is a fairly well known preacher, James W. Knox, who actually wrote Doc concerning the issue of the tirades in the book. Knox was a young man at the time and wrote Doc to see if he could reprint the commentaries without all the "extras" so that they would be a smaller, cheaper book.

 

I saw a copy of the BBB where Doc castigated Knox for being wimpy and spineless. I think it was in reference to what you mentioned here.

BTW:
Knox is a powerful preacher. I have some of this stuff and like his style very much.

 

Yeah, I like Knox pretty well. Seen him preach a couple of times and have a decent number of his tapes/books. I haven't listened to him in some time, but, I have a trip planned for next Monday with about 16 hours on the road and my pastor (he will be going as well) just purchased about $90 of mp3s of Knox. I think it is I Samuel... and something else along there in the 1990's studies.

Do you listen to his stuff online much?

 

I think it's funny that some people on here claim that if you take a sip of wine, or do anything that even has the appearance of sin (even if it isn't sin), that destroys your Christian witness.

But (obviously), at least two people here seem to think it's better to tell people you believe corrections in the KJV are actually advanced revelation, you believe in 10 foot tall aliens with lips shaped like leopard spots, and the Government mafia will kill you in 2 years. That may mean you are crazy but your Christian witness remains intact.

:laugh:

 

Was it mockery, or sarcasm?

 

You being sarcastic, sardonic, or facetious?

 

Either way. Was it needful or edifying for the saints? I didn't think so.

 

Referencing the words "edification" and "Ruckman" in the same sentence is oxymoronic .

 

Was it edifying when Ruckman called the NAS "more of the same old godless, depraved crap"? Do you find all that stuff about aliens and government mafia edifying? How about the claim that corrections in the KJV are actually advanced revelation? That's either lying or the ravings of a madman -- both really edifying, huh? But I guess sticking up for the KJV cancels all that out...

 

Whatever happened to the fact that a fountain can not give out good and bad water?

His absurdities shows that he is a bad fountain...
God can use anyone to help someone else...this is true... look at the Godless in the OT God used to get things done.

 

I've just read this thread with interest. John R. Rice used to use a Biblical word to describe Ruckman that has not yet appeared here, so I will throw it into the mix. In 1 Cor. 5:11 we are told that if a brother is a "railer" we should not even sit down to eat with him. In modern English we rarely say "railer," but the word "rail" is still used. This good 1611 word means, "To express objections or criticisms in bitter, harsh, or abusive language" (Microsoft Bookshelf 98). This describes Peter Ruckman to a t. Therefore, according to the beloved KJV we are to separate from Peter Ruckman, a railer. If I wanted my church people to know how to defend the KJV (not that Japanese believers care in the slightest), I certainly would not point them to Ruckman lest they learn his abusive spirit.

I was once in a car headed to those great 2nd hand Christian bookstores in Grand Rapids, Michigan, with a car full of preachers and deacons when a deacon asked, "Bro. Himes, what do you think about Peter Ruckman?" The car became extremely quiet while I shared the meaning of railer and then said, "If we want to defend the KJV, why not use the books of a true scholar like Edward Hills?" The car stayed quiet for awhile. Point made. :type:

 

What would be the good bookstores you are referring to?

 

While I am no KJV'er , Edward Hills had an irenic spirit , not an irascible one like P.R's . Hmmm, PR ? Those initials don't suit him -- Public Relations .

One can always hope for a change of heart from Ruckman -- it will have to be a supernatural enduement . I hope it comes before the time of his deathbed .

 

We went to a couple. The one I remember is the Zondervan one. As I recall it is in the basement under the regular Zondervan bookstore, and there is a vast selection there of theology, commentaries, etc.

 

Sorry to post off topic, but I just noticed one of the pastors doing the audio sermons at battlefieldbaptistchurch.com is named "Mark Lawless". Dang, talk about someone who really needs to change his name.

Hey BW, are you a follower of Mark Lawless? If so, then we can say that the man of Lawlessness has been revealed!

 

I don't agree completely with Hills, but he was thought-provoking. He was also a genuine textual critic, having done work in the Caesarean family of texts. In particular, he got me thinking about the doctrine of the priesthood of the believer in connection with the preservation of the Word of God.

 

Baker Book House has a good one, too, and one of my closest friends works there, even. Please pray for her - Pat is her name. She, like me 8 mos. ago, has very recently undergone cancer surgery (in the last three weeks), although of a different type, and I have not heard how she is doing with the follow-up treatments, or even if they have started yet, but she went through the surgery, very well indeed.

And Eerdmans has another large used book store, as well.

Unfortunately, Kregel's no longer has one, having sold theirs to an overseas church, and closed theirs in 2005. I do not know who purchased it, but if one could find out, could probably get books from them, as the whole inventory was moved there, some 150,000 volumes.

Ed