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Russia is Attempting to Annex Ukraine with Sham Referendums from TLDR News EU
- Thread starter Squire Robertsson
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This is already a done deal. This was decided long ago and is one of the goals of the Special Military Operations. To de-nazify the Russian regions and protect ethnic Russians. They are not sham elections they are the people who have been shelled, raped, attacked buy the real Ukrainian nazis, who persecute those who have ethnic Russian backgrounds. Russia cannot withdraw and leave the Russian ethnic militias to fight Nato armed and trained nazis who have killed its own citizen's. Where have you been? When the Ukrainian army, which was all but destroyed by Russia, became the now Nato army it was written in stone that Russia cant leave its citizen's to be raped and murdered by evil, wicked men.
No more rigged than our last elections.
Democrats rig elections. Putin rigs elections. Seems OK to me.
Since these people never recognized those who overthrew the elected goverment in 2014 and were shelled repeatable by the Ukrainians and had its citizens raped and murdered by them, i doubt they had to rig it. If Russia withdrew, they would be helpless against a Nato trained force.
I think we wrote the book on rigged voting. We have no moral high ground here.
@Squire Robertsson, you are trying to convince Kremlin supporters that their Comrade is wrong. Good luck. I'm starting to think a handful of people here speak Russian as their first language.
You would be wrong. Your conditioning since you were born is to hide the truth from you. Spiritually you are saved and have escaped destruction. But you should know how evil the billionaires, our cio and the core of our government is. Their job is to transfer our public money to the private sector. And think of the murders we have committed simply because others didn't go along with our corporation's. We take over governments who don't go along with us and turn their resources over to the Billionaires/corporations so they can steal the profits from their citizens. Murder is wrong. And our government has murdered a lot of people. One day you will find out. One day you will see. Perhaps God will cause you to stumble on the truth.
Silverhair
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If those people like russian so much they should just move there and live under Putin.
Sounds like the propaganda of the Kremlin. Dasvidaniya Tanya.
canadyjd
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First, there are no “Russian regions” in Ukraine… it is all within the borders of Ukraine.
If “ethnic Russians” are living in Ukraine, that makes them Ukrainians.
Second, for you to say the goal of Putin’s invasion was to “de-nazify” those regions and then annex them to Russia, you are saying Putin’s goal is genocide of all Ukrainians not “ethnic Russians.
That means Putin is acting just like Hitler including his propaganda demonizing Ukrainians to justify his atrocities, which you regurgitate with no hint of shame and invoking God while you do it.
peace to you
That's what Putin said and believed. "You guys are part of Ukraine" he told them. What did the West (US & nato) do to change that? You and Putin agreed that much originally. Thank you for pointing that fact out. But what made him change his mind? What historical facts made him change that you apparently have no knowledge of?
His goal is not genocide. We are the ones sacrificing the Ukrainians in a proxy war with Russia, make no mistake about that. Ukraines president is our puppet. He was going to honour the Minsk agreements but the Ukrainian Nazis said no. He was going to sign a deal with Putin but Boris (England) was sent to tell him no Nato will back you in war fight.
For many years the Russians have warned us not to expand to their borders and put missiles there but our goal is to destabilize the region to divide it up for our billionaires. You don't have a clue about the history of at least of the last twenty years. You only know about what happened after The SMO happened, which Putin warned the West again and again to stop what they are doing. To bad you don't know any history until march.
They are now a part of Russia. Maybe you should not allowed the nazis and nationalists to artillery shell, rape and murder them. What good could come of that? None!
Silverhair
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That has got to be the dumbest statement I have seen you make yet.
canadyjd
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He started believing his own propaganda, just like Hitler. He wants to re-establish the borders of the old Soviet state. He saw weakness in the US with the catastrophic withdrawal from Afghanistan and he decided it was time to follow Hitler’s example of expansion and genocide and propaganda regurgitated by those willing to excuse his atrocities.
The succession vote was an obvious fraud that won’t change anything.
The Ukrainians are going to win this war because they are willing to die to push Putin’s tyranny out of their borders and the Russian soldiers are not willing to die to obtain Putin’s fantasy future of a reestablish the Soviet state.
The only real question, imo, is how long will the true patriots in Russian tolerate Poutin Putin’s destruction of their own country and slaughter of its people in a hopeless annexation of Ukrainian before he is slipped a “Putin special” in his drink.
peace to you
What false witness. They are now part of Russia forever. Their leaders have gone to Russia and met Putin. The people voted. The Russian Parliament has voted. The Russian army has the land. Nato will never be able to push them out. They are part of Russia forever. You are the one who cannot accept reality. My statement is historical fact. You don't know history even when it unfolds before your very eye's. Oh, I get it. Cnn did not tell you about the forever done deal, so you don't have any knowledge about it. I get it. Watch and learn what historic thing just happened.
His special military operation originally only contained 200,000 troops. It would be impossible to expand to the old Soviet state with such a small force. Use logic and reason, not lies from big fat lying news media. The same media that tells lies every day. You have the intelligence to know they lie about Trump and many other things in America. So why would they all of a sudden become truth tellers about foreign affairs? Use logic and reason. Use real history. Not made up stuff.
canadyjd
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I am able to look at the facts and come to my own conclusion.
Putin violated the Minsk agreement to recognize Ukraines borders, first with Crimea and now with his 2nd invasion.
Putin is bombing civilians, killing women and children.
Putin is pushing propaganda, demonizing the Ukrainians to justify his atrocities. The latest propaganda has been regurgitated with you claiming these annexed provinces are part of Russia forever. They aren’t even part of Russia now, much less forever.
The Ukrainians are the ones fighting.
The US gave 100 billion dollars worth of equipment to the Afghans and they refused to fight , simply surrendering to the Taliban. Putin must have thought the Ukrainians would do the same.
Putin will be remembered in the same breath as Hitler, only he will not have any military victories and will surely be removed before Russia is destroyed by his poor judgment and crimes against humanity.
peace to you
You are merely demonizing Putin without even acknowledging US sins. We are the greatest tyrants around. We, not russia are the cause of this war. You simply don't have any real sources but propaganda ones to look at. Was the us media, which is owned by the billionaires Right about anything? They are behind every single wicked thing that goes on in America, gay marriage, neuter gender people, sex change operations, planned, financed riots to attack the police and law abiding citizen's and businesses destroying them. Making people get vaccines that don't stop people from getting the virus that they lie to our faces and say it does. The liars say a person has the right over their own body that has a right for any reason to murder the unborn and then mandate everyone must take a vaccine against their will. What hypocrisy. Stolen elections. A virus killing many people and not allowed to talk about it possibly being man made. Having post taken off of social media for suggesting the possibility of a man made virus/stolen election.
LOL! That was the US fault, not Putin's! That was joe bid€ns fault, not Putin's. The biden administration was warned that was going to happen and he directed the Afghan President to say otherwise publicly that everything was fine! Even the lying mainstream corporate billionaires owned news media that I was complaining about acknowledged it. I guess you weren't listening that day. So why did we pull out of Afghanistan canayjd knowing they would collapse ahead of time? We were done with them! We didn't care that they collapsed! Why didn't Bidon care?! Because he had to get ready for the US next conquest, Ukraine! The bidon administration doesn't care about the Afghan people! You and I do, but the administration doesn't. You and I care about the Ukrainians, but the administration right now is sacrificing them in a war that they cannot hope to win. Central America, vietnam, Yougoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, the Arab uprisings, Lybia, Ukraine/Germany/Europe. Bidón is making them buy our expensive natural gas at 4 or 5 times the price of cheap Russian gas that they were use to enjoying. Europe's economy is now destroyed because they can't buy cheap Russian gas they must buy from the US at 4 or 5 times higher prices! The German People were protesting the lack of gas and wanted Nordstrom 2 opened so bidón bombed it to take that option off of the table. We, not Russia, but the United States is causing Europe to suffer. If you doubt what I say please look at youtube. The lying mainstream media who is controlled by the billionaires won't tell you because their not allowed. But independents can still speak out, although with their accounts under danger of being deleted by billionaires owned social media. Please, open your eyes and see what we, the US has been doing. We are the ones behind almost all wars. You are not canadyjd! You are a person that would have peace. You would make peace deals and give people freedom because you were raised right. But the administration was not. They do not think like you. They give no thought whatsoever about Iraqis, Afghans, Ukrainians nor Russians. We were conditioned by this evil world to not see the truth. This war is the US's fault. Germans and french suffer because of the US. Ukrainians must fight Russia for us, and are not allowed to cut a peace deal. They must do what we say.
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