Russia is Attempting to Annex Ukraine with Sham Referendums from TLDR News EU

[atpollard]

KGB - FBI ? Difference, please.

The KGB is closer to the NSA or the CIA and has been known to poison defectors and dissident reporters hiding in foreign countries.
The FBI investigates crimes within the US that violate Federal Laws like bank robberies and interstate kidnappings.

Apples to Oranges comparison.

 

[atpollard]

If ethnic Russians are living in Ukraine, then they must have invaded the country at some point and displaced the Ukrainians that were historically living there. The ethnic Russians should leave the Ukraine and return to Russia rather than drive the rest of the ethnic Ukrainians out of the rest of their country to expand Russia.

 

[Conan]

If ethnic Russians are living in Ukraine, then they must have invaded the country at some point and displaced the Ukrainians that were historically living there. The ethnic Russians should leave the Ukraine and return to Russia rather than drive the rest of the ethnic Ukrainians out of the rest of their country to expand Russia.

That's like saying Americans should go back to Europe where they originally came from and let the native Americans take back control. Plus they are part of Russia now. The people living there voted, after being shelled, raped and suffering discrimination because they are Russian are part of Russia now. The Ukrainians shouldn't have sent Nazis to harm them. They are Russian, living in Russia now. You treat people inhumanely, sometimes God steps in and helps them. The decision has been made. It's over. You cry over spilled milk. You should have taken these peoples considerations years ago. Even Putin agreed with you telling those folks you are part of Ukraine. But then the Ukrainian Nazis came in and killed them. Here, try and learn some real history. Your coming in at half time with no real knowledge starting at 2014. You are 8 years behind.

 

[AustinC]

That's like saying Americans should go back to Europe where they originally came from and let the native Americans take back control. Plus they are part of Russia now. The people living there voted, after being shelled, raped and suffering discrimination because they are Russian are part of Russia now. The Ukrainians shouldn't have sent Nazis to harm them. They are Russian, living in Russia now. You treat people inhumanely, sometimes God steps in and helps them. The decision has been made. It's over. You cry over spilled milk. You should have taken these peoples considerations years ago. Even Putin agreed with you telling those folks you are part of Ukraine. But then the Ukrainian Nazis came in and killed them. Here, try and learn some real history. Your coming in at half time with no real knowledge starting at 2014. You are 8 years behind.

Is anyone denying that Europeans invaded North America and forcibly removed the indigenous peoples to reservations (ghettos if you will)?
Yet, we have people,like you, saying that Russia isn't doing the same thing to Ukrainians.

 

[Conan]

The KGB is closer to the NSA or the CIA and has been known to poison defectors and dissident reporters hiding in foreign countries.
The FBI investigateitp

Is anyone denying that Europeans invaded North America and forcibly removed the indigenous peoples to reservations (ghettos if you will)?
Yet, we have people,like you, saying that Russia isn't doing the same thing to Ukrainians.

It is not the same at all. You have failed to acknowledge any facts. Any real situation. The 2 things have nothing in common. You are wrong. You don't even know why historical ethnic Russians are there in the first place do you?

 

[percho]

When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

Is that relative to any set time in time or true in all time?

Exactly who are the children of Israel, say, today?

The KGB is closer to the NSA or the CIA and has been known to poison defectors and dissident reporters hiding in foreign countries.
The FBI investigates crimes within the US that violate Federal Laws like bank robberies and interstate kidnappings.

Apples to Oranges comparison.

That is what they are suppose to do but have elected to seek other, "crimes" or so called crimes.

 

[AustinC]

It is not the same at all. You have failed to acknowledge any facts. Any real situation. The 2 things have nothing in common. You are wrong. You don't even know why historical ethnic Russians are there in the first place do you?

Historically, Ukraine ruled Russia. Kyiv was the original capital. So, the outsiders are invading once again.

 

[atpollard]

That's like saying Americans should go back to Europe where they originally came from and let the native Americans take back control.

So you believe that the genocide of the Native Americans by European settlers is as morally justified as the genocide of native Ukrainians by Russian settlers?

I agree.

The difference is that the Native American genocide already happened and I can do nothing to stop it while the Ukrainian genocide and Russian settlement is happening right now where we will be judged for our actions or inactions.

My grandparents came from Norway, Italy and Wales between 1900 and WW 1 … where should I move “back” to?
The Russians all came from Russia and moved to occupied Ukraine after WW2 and before the fall of the USSR. They CAN easily move back across the border where everyone speaks the same language that they do. The cost would be far less than this war.

 

[atpollard]

That is what they are suppose to do but have elected to seek other, "crimes" or so called crimes.

I am not thrilled with how the FBI is “politicized” as a weapon, however interfering with a medical clinic by force (shoving) was a violation of a Federal Law, so it fell to the FBI to conduct the investigation. It was not arbitrary. It did not fall to the US Army to enforce Federal Law or to the State Police to enforce Federal Law. It fell to the FBI to enforce Federal Law (even badly).

 

[Conan]

So you believe that the genocide of the Native Americans by European settlers is as morally justified as the genocide of native Ukrainians by Russian settlers?

I agree.

The difference is that the Native American genocide already happened and I can do nothing to stop it while the Ukrainian genocide and Russian settlement is happening right now where we will be judged for our actions or inactions.

My grandparents came from Norway, Italy and Wales between 1900 and WW 1 … where should I move “back” to?
The Russians all came from Russia and moved to occupied Ukraine after WW2 and before the fall of the USSR. They CAN easily move back across the border where everyone speaks the same language that they do. The cost would be far less than this war.

No, I don't agree with you at all. Why do you claim it, it is a lie. You don't even know what this war is about. You don't even know that it really started in 2014. Thats when Ukrainian Nazis overthrew the lawfully elected government. Russians in the east didn't recognize the nazis rule so the Nazis shelled, raped, and murdered them. Even columns of ethnic Russian civilians who are fleeing to Russia now are being shelled by Ukrainians. The Russians are not commiting genocide, thats what the Nazis do, with your full support. You don't know what the scope of Russia's Special Military Operation is. You don't know what they do. You listen to mainstream billionaires owned media which pushes gender change, gay marriage, election fraud and fake protest which destroy small middle class American businesses. Why believe their lies? They are up to evil. Do not fall for it. America has more military bases around the world than all other countries combined. Next is great Britain. Next is france. Why is that? Why did we shut down the Russian pipeline? Because the German people were angry and protested to turn on the cheap Russian gas. But the US bombed it to take that off of the table. Guess what. Were now gonna sell the gas at 4 or 5 times the price. Do you think thats fare? It's not. You also lie just like when the US media said the Serbs were commiting genocide. Turns out they weren't and the US newspapers admitted they took down the dictation from mrs clint0n. They said Sadam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. But he didn't, and a million dead Iraqis later means our leaders are murders. They weren't guilty. We devastated Lybia harming a peaceful nation. We cause wars all over the world and you better believe we caused this one. Even after the special military operation started the Ukrainian president excepted a peace deal but we said no. Nato sent boris Y who told them no we would support them. Get some facts straight . Learn what is really going on. How many more people are going to die because we want to bleed Russia. We are the ones sacrificing the Ukrainians who have no hope of beating the Russians! We are fighting a proxy war with Russia and are fighting them with Ukrainians who die by the thousands. Quit being a US imperialist. Quit being a US warmonger. Didn't we kill enough during gulf war 2 to satisfy you. We certainly didn't kill enough to satisfy the congressional military complex or our billionaires. They call for Russia blood and are going to use Ukrainian blood to do it. And here you go along with it. Quit killing people!

 

[AustinC]

No, I don't agree with you at all. Why do you claim it, it is a lie. You don't even know what this war is about. You don't even know that it really started in 2014. Thats when Ukrainian Nazis overthrew the lawfully elected government. Russians in the east didn't recognize the nazis rule so the Nazis shelled, raped, and murdered them. Even columns of ethnic Russian civilians who are fleeing to Russia now are being shelled by Ukrainians. The Russians are not commiting genocide, thats what the Nazis do, with your full support. You don't know what the scope of Russia's Special Military Operation is. You don't know what they do. You listen to mainstream billionaires owned media which pushes gender change, gay marriage, election fraud and fake protest which destroy small middle class American businesses. Why believe their lies? They are up to evil. Do not fall for it. America has more military bases around the world than all other countries combined. Next is great Britain. Next is france. Why is that? Why did we shut down the Russian pipeline? Because the German people were angry and protested to turn on the cheap Russian gas. But the US bombed it to take that off of the table. Guess what. Were now gonna sell the gas at 4 or 5 times the price. Do you think thats fare? It's not. You also lie just like when the US media said the Serbs were commiting genocide. Turns out they weren't and the US newspapers admitted they took down the dictation from mrs clint0n. They said Sadam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. But he didn't, and a million dead Iraqis later means our leaders are murders. They weren't guilty. We devastated Lybia harming a peaceful nation. We cause wars all over the world and you better believe we caused this one. Even after the special military operation started the Ukrainian president excepted a peace deal but we said no. Nato sent boris Y who told them no we would support them. Get some facts straight . Learn what is really going on. How many more people are going to die because we want to bleed Russia. We are the ones sacrificing the Ukrainians who have no hope of beating the Russians! We are fighting a proxy war with Russia and are fighting them with Ukrainians who die by the thousands. Quit being a US imperialist. Quit being a US warmonger. Didn't we kill enough during gulf war 2 to satisfy you. We certainly didn't kill enough to satisfy the congressional military complex or our billionaires. They call for Russia blood and are going to use Ukrainian blood to do it. And here you go along with it. Quit killing people!

You and your "Nazi's...
"Thats when Ukrainian Nazis overthrew the lawfully elected government."
There are white supremacists in all these countries, including Russia. Be honest, this invasion by Russia has very little to do with white supremacists ruling. It has much to do with a power hungry despot pridefully thinking he was the reincarnation of the Soviet Empire.
You have drank the Russian propaganda and you are willing to metaphorically die on this hill of imagination where the whole thing is about eradicating "nazis."

 

[Conan]

You and your "Nazi's...
"Thats when Ukrainian Nazis overthrew the lawfully elected government."
There are white supremacists in all these countries, including Russia. Be honest, this invasion by Russia has very little to do with white supremacists ruling. It has much to do with a power hungry despot pridefully thinking he was the reincarnation of the Soviet Empire.
You have drank the Russian propaganda and you are willing to metaphorically die on this hill of imagination where the whole thing is about eradicating "nazis."

You drank the Communist News Network, CNN, Msnbc, ci0 . you do support nazis, and I hope God convicts you for doing so. I hope and pray that God shows you the truth about the wars we start, the murders we commit. Warmonger and imperialists.

 

[AustinC]

You drank the Communist News Network, CNN, Msnbc, ci0 . you do support nazis, and I hope God convicts you for doing so. I hope and pray that God shows you the truth about the wars we start, the murders we commit. Warmonger and imperialists.

Actually, you are the one supporting the Communist wannabe, Putin, so wrap your arms around your comrades in Russia and China, then tell us how you're planning to free the Christians being persecuted in both countries.
Note that Baptist churches are preparing or already have gone underground in Russia.

 

[Conan]

Actually, you are the one supporting the Communist wannabe, Putin, so wrap your arms around your comrades in Russia and China, then tell us how you're planning to free the Christians being persecuted in both countries.
Note that Baptist churches are preparing or already have gone underground in Russia.

Russia has not been communist since the Soviet Union fell. That was a long time ago. No reason for Baptist Churches to go underground. They are welcome there.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Russia has not been communist since the Soviet Union fell. That was a long time ago. No reason for Baptist Churches to go underground. They are welcome there.

No, they are not. I speak as someone who married into the Evangelical Christian-Baptist emigre community.

 

[AustinC]

Russia has not been communist since the Soviet Union fell. That was a long time ago. No reason for Baptist Churches to go underground. They are welcome there.

No, they are not. I speak as someone who married into the Evangelical Christian-Baptist emigre community.

Squire, you are right on. Non-Russian Orthodox churches are facing more and more discrimination and persecution from government agencies. Baptists are viewed with suspicion and even contempt for their faith in God. Many who lived under Soviet tyranny are seeing the signs of a returning persecution and are setting up the structures to go underground once again.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Baptists are viewed with suspicion and even contempt for their faith in God.

Back in the day, my wife was accused of being an American agent for being a Baptist.

 

[atpollard]

You don't even know what this war is about.

Let me take a shot at “what this war is about”.

Ronald Reagan led the US in an unsustainable effort to outspend the USSR that directly led to the economic collapse of the Soviet Union. Under new and more enlightened leadership, Russia skillfully navigated the transition to a new Russia that was an international partner with the west … profitably participating in the ISS and becoming a significant trading partner with the new EU. The former “Eastern European” countries that were held as “buffer states” under the control of the former USSR became independent. Old problems exploded out of control (like the former Yugoslavia). Great opportunities were realized (like German reunification). Nations formerly controlled by puppet governments for the benefit of the greater “Soviet Union” were forced to relearn the art of self-government (like Poland and Ukraine).

With the government of the “international” Russia replaced by an “old school” USSR philosophical leadership, these independent nations with a living memory of Soviet Occupation were being forced to make hard choices about what to do next. While most would have probably preferred to maintain independent autonomy and a free hand to negotiate with the giant economies of both Russia and the EU, the reality that Russia was annexing land could not be ignored.

Almost without exception, all of the independent nations chose to either join the EU or join NATO as their only hope of surviving the renewed Russian territorial aggression.

I will grant you that NATO sharing a border with Russia is a terrible idea, however it is not Germany invading countries and annexing territory that brought NATO to the Russian border … it is Russia that has been reclaiming former USSR territory and forcing its neighbors to join NATO to survive.

I would prefer a Russia that withdrew from all its illegal territorial gains and a NATO that withdrew to Germany and a wide band of independent nations playing “The Mouse that Roared” between Russia and the EU. Putin’s Russia made my desires impossible.

So that is my “uninformed” opinion.
The official response from Moscow is … (your turn).

 

[Conan]

Let me take a shot at “what this war is about”.

Ronald Reagan led the US in an unsustainable effort to outspend the USSR that directly led to the economic collapse of the Soviet Union. Under new and more enlightened leadership, Russia skillfully navigated the transition to a new Russia that was an international partner with the west … profitably participating in the ISS and becoming a significant trading partner with the new EU. The former “Eastern European” countries that were held as “buffer states” under the control of the former USSR became independent. Old problems exploded out of control (like the former Yugoslavia). Great opportunities were realized (like German reunification). Nations formerly controlled by puppet governments for the benefit of the greater “Soviet Union” were forced to relearn the art of self-government (like Poland and Ukraine).

With the government of the “international” Russia replaced by an “old school” USSR philosophical leadership, these independent nations with a living memory of Soviet Occupation were being forced to make hard choices about what to do next. While most would have probably preferred to maintain independent autonomy and a free hand to negotiate with the giant economies of both Russia and the EU, the reality that Russia was annexing land could not be ignored.

Almost without exception, all of the independent nations chose to either join the EU or join NATO as their only hope of surviving the renewed Russian territorial aggression.

I will grant you that NATO sharing a border with Russia is a terrible idea, however it is not Germany invading countries and annexing territory that brought NATO to the Russian border … it is Russia that has been reclaiming former USSR territory and forcing its neighbors to join NATO to survive.

I would prefer a Russia that withdrew from all its illegal territorial gains and a NATO that withdrew to Germany and a wide band of independent nations playing “The Mouse that Roared” between Russia and the EU. Putin’s Russia made my desires impossible.

So that is my “uninformed” opinion.
The official response from Moscow is … (your turn).

No, you are wrong. You started out right, but then lied about Russia expanding former countries. Reagan promised we would not expand .But after President Ronald Reagan we looked eastward, buying their first election, our crony, boasted the clint0ns. Almost destroyed Russia. With an eye on a weak Russia with its great resources. At least since bosh jr we think we can win a war with Russia, reintroducing battle field nukes. Obam0 the same. Their was a pause in the war policy with President Trump, so the deep state had to get him out of the way. And now with Bid0n you see the policy come full swing with us trying to hurt Russia, to make them weaker. To one day divide them up. Your history stopped being accurate with after Ronald Reagan.

 

[xlsdraw]

Russia has not been communist since the Soviet Union fell. That was a long time ago. No reason for Baptist Churches to go underground. They are welcome there.

This is a bold faced lie.