Saddest Story in the World - Andrea Yates

In the old testament it appears that when God orders the destruction of people the people were doing so much harm to those around them that it was devastating, and always when there was no sign of regret and when reptentance opportunities had been rejected many times. (He ordered societies wiped out that were guilty of human sacrifice, and child murder. Societies that were destroyed were not just societies that sinned, but groups that preyed on others. Sodom and Gomorrah were not destroyed because of homosexuality alone. Rather because the people of these cities were raping and attacking those who tried to behave in a godly manner.)

You mention Cain. He killed his brother, apparently in some kind of jealous rage. He showed no indication that he would ever kill again. I don't necessarily think he showed tremendous regret, but he did show a fear of God.

Moses also killed in a fit of passion, protecting a weak person from a cruel person, and murder does not appear to be his intent. He lost control. He deeply regretted what he did.

David killed in a panic. He had impregnanted another man's wife. The law said that he and the woman could be put to death. The only way he could be caught was if the woman's husband did the math. He committed a horrible, pre-meditated act to save his and his lover's skin. It was horribly wrong, but it did not present a threat to other members of society and David DID repent.

I firmly believe that Andrea Yates is a danger to society in general forever. She had medical care prior to the killings - yet she killed anyway, so we cannot look to her and say that medical care will protect society from her. She did not kill in a fit of passion, nor did she kill to protect herself from being caught in a crime. She killed the most innocent ones in society because she had decided they were not innocent. She is a danger.

There is also the fact that in lucid moments she must be suffering horrendously. If you got drunk or high on drugs and murdered all of your children would you want life or death?

 

As to Michael Woroneckie - he used to be a very popular speaker at Baptist Youth Groups all over the USA.

He made claims that he was once a priest of a Satanic Cult. Talks about a dysfunctional childhood, drugs, blood sacrifices. In fact, he used to spend about 45 minutes of his hour long speech talking about Satanic cult activities and 15 minutes talking about Christ.

Someone noticed that, said he was paying too much attention to Satan, not enough attention to Christ.

Someone else investigated his claims, decided he was an old fashioned con man. He "saw a parade and ran to get in front of it," then called himself the leader.

I don't know if he is or is not a Christian, but I do know that he is frightening.

 

I am not making excuses anything, and I don't believe my post inidcates that I am. I am pointing out that they were NOT a threat to society in general.

As to Cain and Able, go back and re-read. If you don't think jealousy had anything to do with it you missed a HUGE part of the story.

And I will grant that Moses looked around, but the fact remains, he was acting out of reaction to the cruelty of a person to another person - and was reacting to the moment in passion.

And yes, I hold to my statement that David was in a panic. As you said, he had tried to get out of being caught another way. He tried to cover his trail, and Uriah didn't comply so he went with his plan b. Premeditated? That was obvious. Something he would make a habit of that would put society at risk? No.