Saddleback Debate

[rbell]

As a member of The Tony Blair Foundation, Rick Warren is now an advocate for the uniting of the "Abrahamic Faiths" (Christianity, Judaism and Islam). As a member of this elite group he can get the attention of any political party and command any political forum he pleases.

Story Here.

Posting a blog entry isn't exactly reliable information.

Not to mention, it's garbage and slander.

 

[Pastor Larry]

I never said or implied anything of the kind and you will, of course, not be able to substantiate this statement.

I think that was what you were previously arguing in our other discussion.

But I will again take this occasion to point out the inchoherence of ordering one's "private" life according to one set of values - the kingdom of God values - and refusing to participate in trying to enshrine those very same values in the political sphere. It is this that is so odd and arguably "schizophrenic".

Have you considered that it's "odd and schizophrenic" because you are not thinking properly about it?

Why wouldn't a Christian work to enshrine the kingdom of God values into the political structures of our world? What possible reason is there not to do so?

First, because we are not commanded to. Second because we are commanded to do something else. Third, because it undermines the true gospel and presents a false gospel. Fourth, because it leads to damning moralism.

 

[Palatka51]

Posting a blog entry isn't exactly reliable information.

Not to mention, it's garbage and slander.

Well lets get it straight from the horse's mouth then. Tony Blair Faith Foundation

 

[Revmitchell]

Posting a blog entry isn't exactly reliable information.

Not to mention, it's garbage and slander.

Prove its slander.

 

[dan e.]

Posting a blog entry isn't exactly reliable information.

Not to mention, it's garbage and slander.

This is nothing more than an attempt to unite people, no matter the religion, in order to do good to those in need.

Respecting other faiths in order to do something together to provide for others is not a bad thing. It is often turned into something more than what it is.

 

[queenbee]

This is nothing more than an attempt to unite people, no matter the religion, in order to do good to those in need.

Respecting other faiths in order to do something together to provide for others is not a bad thing. It is often turned into something more than what it is.

Agreed Dan e!: thumbsup: but for clarification purposes, are we talking here of "turned into something more" in the positive or negative sense?? Please clarify.

 

[LadyEagle]

Please, can we get back on topic? If not, this thread will be closed. Thanks. LE.

BTW, I applaud RW for having this platform for the two candidates.

I had always says I would not vote for John McCain, but because of his strong statement about life beginning at conception, he won me over. I am not a one issue voter, but that is the top priority issue for me. I also believe he will make wise choices when necessary on Supreme Court appointees.

 

[Brother Bob]

I did not hear RW say anything except "Unhuh" and "ha ha ha ha ha", anyone else hear anything except the questions he read from people.
BBob,

 

[just-want-peace]

Please, can we get back on topic?

One off-topic comment & I'm outta here!

I propose a separate FORUM strictly for Andre & PL, or whoever, to hash out their theological diatribes so one doesn't have to fast scroll through dozens of posts to continue on the thread topic!:sleep:

Thanks - I'm GONE!!!:thumbs:

 

[dan e.]

I had always says I would not vote for John McCain, but because of his strong statement about life beginning at conception, he won me over. I am not a one issue voter, but that is the top priority issue for me.

You should have included another issue then, because I only count one issue here.

 

[Pastor Larry]

I propose a separate FORUM strictly for Andre & PL, or whoever, to hash out their theological diatribes so one doesn't have to fast scroll through dozens of posts to continue on the thread topic!

We can certainly get back on topic, but far too often, people separate their faith from their politics, or associate their faith and politics in illegitimate ways, and as a result we end up with a very poor worldview. It is unfortunate that theology is pushed to the back for other things.

The fact of whether or not a church should be involved in politics is first and foremost a theological issue. People of the book should be more interested in what the book says.

 

[Jimmy C]

I watched RW on Larry King Live and Hannity and combes tonight - I thought he did a great job. Thought he asked good questions and got good, thoughtful answers - not soundbites from both candidates. I will vote for Mc Cain - thought he hit a homerun. Thought obama did well, but to use a brit term is to smart by half

 

[dragonfly]

I watched RW on Larry King Live and Hannity and combes tonight - I thought he did a great job. Thought he asked good questions and got good, thoughtful answers - not soundbites from both candidates. I will vote for Mc Cain - thought he hit a homerun. Thought obama did well, but to use a brit term is to smart by half

I would expect a conservative to at least understand the rules of capitalization, but considering you will vote for McCain, I understand your lack of knowledge.

 

[Revmitchell]

I would expect a conservative to at least understand the rules of capitalization, but considering you will vote for McCain, I understand your lack of knowledge.

Do you remember this post?

I'm afraid you are going to find that some posters here are unable to carry on a conversation without continual insults. Even if you try and be courteous, if will make on difference. They just enjoy being objectionable no matter what. The only advice I can offer is to ignore them; they don't deserve a response.

 

[dan e.]

Agreed Dan e!: thumbsup: but for clarification purposes, are we talking here of "turned into something more" in the positive or negative sense?? Please clarify.

My "turned into something more" comment is meant to be understood that some will always turn this into something negative. As if Warren is trying to unite the faiths theologically, or that he is trying to unite them in the name of universalism, or something like that.

Like my post said, it is nothing more than laying differences aside so someone else can have a meal, medical treatment, or clean water. The mission of that group has nothing to do with inclusivism.

 

[Andre]

We can certainly get back on topic, but far too often, people separate their faith from their politics, or associate their faith and politics in illegitimate ways, and as a result we end up with a very poor worldview. It is unfortunate that theology is pushed to the back for other things.

The fact of whether or not a church should be involved in politics is first and foremost a theological issue. People of the book should be more interested in what the book says.

Well, despite our other differences, I most heartily endorse your sentiments here. Theology is what it is all about - even the most seemingly academic item of theology always inforrms the way we live and act in the world. So it is indeed unfortunate that people see a discussion of the Biblical underpinnings of political issues as something they want to "skip over".

 

[Jimmy C]

Dragonfly

I'm sorry to upset your grammatical sensibilities - I will be sure to run any future posts by the grammer and captialization police

Rev - dont worry about my feelings being hurt by Dragonfly - it takes alot more than that to get my goat.

Apart from that, I still think that Warren did a very nice job of eliciting good answers from both Obama and McCain, probably better than what we will get from the official debates. I am also of the opinion that McCain did better than Obama.

Just an aside - I was reading Joan Walsh's latest column and the comments that follow at Salon.com ( I enjoy reading both the left and the right too see what each side thinks) Much hate for Warren over there, the thought on that site is that Warren is a run of the mill televangelist, who even if he does give away 90% of his earnings gets it back in some sort of backhanded way!

They are also convinced that McCain knew the questions in advance and think that McCains answer on abortion will ruin his chances at election.

 

[LadyEagle]

I give no credence to Christian haters on the left over at Salon.

So it is indeed unfortunate that people see a discussion of the Biblical underpinnings of political issues as something they want to "skip over".

Yep, and one of those underpinnings is the sanctity of life. :thumbs:

 

[Revmitchell]

Rev - dont worry about my feelings being hurt by Dragonfly - it takes alot more than that to get my goat.

DF makes types of comments he/she condemns of others all the time. I was just showing his/her own lack of consistancy to put it nicely.