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Saddumb's weapons of mass destruction

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by freedom's cause, Sep 7, 2005.

  1. LadyEagle

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    Thanks, TC! [​IMG]
     
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    PONCHO

    Haven't seen anyone talk about those in a while ... I did not know they were still around ...

    For those that do not know - the larger device (soviet) would be 1/100th to 1/1,000th the size of the bomb at Hiroshima.
     
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    It was moved, under IAEC permit, to an undisclosed location for disposal.
     
  4. Baptist in Richmond

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    Wow, that's news to me.....

    Don't you think there would have been more information on this in the media, especially given the bad publicity surrounding the claim of WMD's?

    When was this discovered?

    Regards,
    BiR
     
  5. freedom's cause

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    t cassidy what are your views on saddam's plans to create nukes really we had him in a box so to speak I believe that he would have used a nuke on Israel if he had the chance that he was in contact with Al-queda and that his agents were involved in 911 even if not overtly but behind the scenes speculation perhaps a madman out of control a reality because of your knowledge about
    nukes can you elucidate for the layman concerning Iraq/Iran/pakistan didn't we stop nuclear war in all probability
     
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    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/5/00555.shtml
     
  7. Baptist in Richmond

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    Good Evening LadyEagle:

    I was in Barnes & Noble earlier this week (in Tennessee) and there is an article on Dr. Mahdi Obeidi (by Kurt Pitzer) in Mother Jones. I am not a subscriber to the magazine; however, that is a little fortuitous, huh?

    Warm Regards to You and Yours,
    BiR
     
  8. freedom's cause

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    thanks poncho for the alert wow I hope you are prepared to meet our maker really we are all running out of time with only a few years here on this earth time is of the essence make sure your loved ones know the Lord His mercy on us
    has been to the overflowing I think of the past
    when Castro allowed the soviet union to plant missiles in Cuba apparently all that time ago russia had nuclear subs on America's east coast
    just imagine what's going on now we know the Lord is coming back but there are so many who do not yet know him and we as christians seem so far away from the Master as well please tell others of Jesus coming and the good news about Jesus return lets be ready no matter what the outcome and help as many as we can to be ready also
     
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    The Hiroshima bomb, nicknamed Little Boy, was a 13 kiloton uranium (U235) device. Fat Man, the Nagasaki bomb, was a 20 kiloton plutonium (U239) device.

    The so-called "suitcase bomb" on the web page says it would be a 10-20 ton device. Unfortunately it fails to says 10-20 tons of what. The usual means of measuring nuclear explosions is to compare them to how many tons of TNT it would take to produce the same explosion. If the "suitcase bomb" is equivalent to 10-20 tons of TNT then, taking the middle figure of 15 tons of TNT, it would be less than 1/1000th the size of the Hiroshima bobm. Around 0.00115384615 of the Hiroshima bomb, and about half of that, or about 0.00075 of the Nagasaki device.

    But the thing to look at is the fissile material used. The article says "plutonium (or U-233)." Neither plutonium nor uranium 233 occurs naturally. Both are manufactured products. And the machine necessary to manufacture then is nothing less than a special type of nuclear reactor known as a "breeder reactor." In the case of plutonium, the liquid metal (sodium) moderated reactor vessel would be lined with uranium 238, which is non-fissile. The U238 would capture neutrons which would "breed" the U238 into plutonium 239 (P239) which is fissile. In the case of uranium 233 (U233) the breeder reactor vessel would be lined with Thorium 232 (Th232) which, through neutron capture, would be bred into uranium 233 (U233) which is fissile.

    And that is just the beginning. Milling and shaping the two piece core and devising a way to bring them together to achieve critical mass without blowing the two pieces of the shaped charge apart again and stopping the full power of the energy conversion is extremely difficult and demanding. Milling that fissile metal requires finer workmanship than grinding eyeglass lenses. Not something a terrorist hiding in a cave is likely to be able to do.

    As I said earlier, the means to produce such a bomb requires a very well developed infrastructure, a nuclear reactor being, arguably, one of the most sophisticated machines every built by man.

    It is highly unlikely a terrorist, hiding in a cave in Afghanistan, would have access to such a level of technology. [​IMG]
     
  10. freedom's cause

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    lady Eagle can you find info on other iraqi
    physicists under saddam let's try to find out
     
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    It was reported in the NY Times (buried in the back, of course) when the report was released in May, 2004. The "talking heads" of the major broadcast media were strangely silent about it. Almost as if they had an anti-Bush agenda, but we know that is impossible, don't we?
     
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    The media chooses what to put the spotlight on and what not to put the spotlight on. Many people would be suprised about all the stuff involving the Katrina incident if only the media chose to give you all the information.
     
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    More likely outraged.
     
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    Maybe, but more likely not. Saddam could not have built sufficient nuclear devices to do more than be a nuisance threat. (Taking into account that the nuclear bombing of even one city is a terrible tragedy, but he would not have been able to do more.)

    And, had he done so, he probably knew one of the nuclear powers would have turned Baghdad into a glass lined kitty litter box!

    In my opinion Nukes were never the WMD issue. Chemical and biological weapons were much more dangerous to us here in the US. And even then, the main reason I supported the war was simply to get rid of a madman who had forced a reign of terror on Iraq for over 20 years, murdering untold numbers of his own people, and devising the most horrible tortures known to man. He had to go. He went. Good riddance.
     
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    How about Fox News? Did they report it?

    This is absolutely amazing: we actually found the evidence of WMD's, yet none of this was reported, other than that which was buried in the back of the New York Times.

    But why would the United States not bring this out for everyone to see? Why would they not show the entire world that these WMD's actually did exist? I thought the President said that we probably wouldn't find any evidence. Yet, if what you are saying is true, the entire justification for the war was real. Why would they not put this out for all the world to see?

    Regards,
    BiR
     
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    I don't know. I don't watch Fox. I like my news "fair and balanced." [​IMG]
    Just who is "the United States?" It was reported. Then it was buried. What else is new?
    They did. The media chose to ignore it.
     
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