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Brightfame52 · Jan 29, 2021

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Peter addresses his letter (1 Peter) "To God's elect." To be elected is to be chosen. Christ was Chosen and all those "in Him" are chosen by God. When God formulated His plan of redemption, He chose His Redeemer, and as a consequence, chose corporately anyone subsequently redeemed. During our lifetime, God chooses us as specific individuals and baptizes us into Christ, thereby setting us apart, and thus “in Christ” we are saints.

Paul addresses his letter (Romans) to those "called to be saints." Saint, like sanctify means to be set apart, so those that respond to (gladly receive) the gospel are those called to be saints. When God chooses them, He sanctifies them, sets them apart.

Paul addresses his letter (1 Corinthians) to "those sanctified in Christ Jesus." So to be chosen as one of God's elect, we are set apart in Christ Jesus.

Paul addresses his letter (2 Corinthians) to "all the saints" in the area. So again referring to those that heard the gospel and believed in Jesus Christ, and whose faith God crediting as righteousness, and therefore set apart in Christ.

Paul addresses his letter (Galatians) to the church and does not specifically mention they are part of God's elect, but they are.

Paul addresses his letter (Ephesians) to "the saints in Ephesus, the faithful in Christ Jesus." Here we see that the saints are those who are faithful in Christ Jesus, that their faith continues and does not fall away." This is the test that all those saved must take to have confidence they are one of God's elect.

Paul addresses his letter (Philippians) “to the saints in Christ Jesus at Philippi.”

Paul addresses his letter (Colossians) “to the holy and faithful brothers in Christ at Colosse.” Here Paul adds to our understanding of a saint, he or she is set apart from unholiness and together the saints are brothers (siblings we share the same Lord, the same Spirit, the same call to holiness) and as before we are faithful.

Paul addresses his letter (1 Thessalonians) to the church of the Thessalonians, but adds in verse 4, “For we know, brothers loved by God, that He has chosen you, because our gospel came to you not simply with words, but also with power, with the Holy Spirit and with deep conviction.” The reference to power, conviction and the Holy Spirit means that Paul brought the message personally, not just via a letter. Individuals filled with the Holy Spirit have deep conviction, power and the Holy Spirit. Nothing beyond the straightforward understanding of the text is necessary for the correct understanding of the text.

Paul addresses his letter (2 Thessalonians) to the church.

Paul addresses his letters (1 and 2 Timothy) to his son in the faith, Timothy.

Paul addresses his letter to Titus as follows, “Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ for the faith of God’s elect and the knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness – a faith and knowledge resting in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time….” Here Paul introduces several additional concepts. Paul’s job, given him by Christ, was “for the faith of God’s elect.”
By spreading the gospel message, those that placed their faith in Christ and His gospel, would be individually chosen by God, based on His accepting their faith, becoming His elect. Paul was also teaching the Word of God so that newborn believers would gain an understanding and grow toward godliness. And finally, the faith and knowledge were based on accepting God’s promise of eternal life for whoever believes in His Son. God’s predetermined plan, which contained the promise of salvation for whoever believes in the name of Jesus, was established before time began.

Jude addressed his letter (Jude) “to those who have been called, who are loved by God the Father and kept by Jesus Christ.” Here, again, we see that those who accepted the gospel (those called) are kept by Jesus Christ. We have been set apart and nothing can pluck us out of God’s hand. We do not sustain our salvation through the power of our faith, we are kept by the power of God who protects our faith. Thus saints are faithful, not perhaps in their walk, because we stumble, but in our devotion to Christ Jesus.

In summary, sanctification refers to more than one activity: (1) being set apart, our individual election; (2) being guided by our indwelt Holy Spirit into godliness, the sanctification process that conforms us to the image of His Son; and (3) our bodily resurrection.

With reference to the first usage of the term (positional sanctification), our election occurs when we are sanctified by the Holy Spirit which means we are chosen by God, based on His crediting our faith in His Son, and then baptized into the body of Christ where we are converted and then as a new creature indwelt with the Spirit of God. As we live our born again life, we undergo progressive sanctification, where we mature as Christians, becoming more Christ-like, and serve Him as ambassadors, earning eternal rewards. Ultimate sanctification will occur when we are bodily resurrected in glorified bodies, free of our corrupt flesh.
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The Elect were set apart first in Election when before the foundation of the World God chose them in Christ their Head Eph 1:4

God the Father then sanctified them, set them apart Jude 1:1

Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

Van · Jan 29, 2021

Brightfame52 said: ↑

The Elect were set apart first in Election when before the foundation of the World God chose them in Christ their Head Eph 1:4

God the Father then sanctified them, set them apart Jude 1:1

Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
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1) Jude 1:1 Jude, a bond-servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of ]James, To those who are the called, beloved in God the Father, and kept for Jesus Christ: "The called" refers to those God placed into Christ.

2) To be sanctified means to be set apart.

3) 1 Peter 2:9-10 precludes individuals being chosen in Ephesians 1:4 because once we were not a people, and if chosen individually we would have always been a people.

Brightfame52 · Jan 29, 2021

Van said: ↑

1) Jude 1:1 Jude, a bond-servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of ]James, To those who are the called, beloved in God the Father, and kept for Jesus Christ: "The called" refers to those God placed into Christ.

2) To be sanctified means to be set apart.

3) 1 Peter 2:9-10 precludes individuals being chosen in Ephesians 1:4 because once we were not a people, and if chosen individually we would have always been a people.
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So them in Jude 1:1 were both loved and sanctified, then they were kept in Christ, then later called. They were Loved and sanctified by the Father before being called. They didn't do anything to be Loved or Sanctified, they werent even believers until after they are called.

Van · Jan 29, 2021

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So them in Jude 1:1 were both loved and sanctified, then they were kept in Christ, then later called. They were Loved and sanctified by the Father before being called. They didn't do anything to be Loved or Sanctified, they weren't even believers until after they are called.
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Complete rubbish, an absurdity offered as obfuscation.

1) "The called" are those transferred into Christ.

2) The letter is addressed to (1) to those who are "the called," (2) to those beloved by the Father, and (3) to those kept in Christ Jesus. Thus the letter is addressed to people who are all three, and no sequence can be inferred.

3) In Jude 1:1 there is a textual variant, the TR reads "sanctified" and the CT reads "beloved."

4) The Called have been set apart in Christ, thus "sanctified" referring to positional sanctification.

5) Here is Jude 1:1 as rendered by the CEV:
From Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and the brother of James. To all who are chosen and loved by God the Father and are kept safe by Jesus Christ.

Brightfame52 · Jan 30, 2021

Van said: ↑

Complete rubbish, an absurdity offered as obfuscation.

1) "The called" are those transferred into Christ.

2) The letter is addressed to (1) to those who are "the called," (2) to those beloved by the Father, and (3) to those kept in Christ Jesus. Thus the letter is addressed to people who are all three, and no sequence can be inferred.

3) In Jude 1:1 there is a textual variant, the TR reads "sanctified" and the CT reads "beloved."

4) The Called have been set apart in Christ, thus "sanctified" referring to positional sanctification.

5) Here is Jude 1:1 as rendered by the CEV:
From Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and the brother of James. To all who are chosen and loved by God the Father and are kept safe by Jesus Christ.
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If u want to call sacred truth rubbish, thats fine. John Gill comments:

and preserved in Jesus Christ; those who are sanctified, or set apart by God the Father in election, are in Christ, for they are chosen in him; they have a place in his heart, and they are put into his hands, and are in him, and united to him as members to an head, and were represented by him in the covenant of grace; and being in him, they are preserved by him, and that before they are called, as well as after; wherefore this character is put before that of being called, though the Syriac version puts that in the first place: there is a secret preservation of them in Christ before calling, from condemnation and the second death; they were not preserved from falling in Adam, with the rest of mankind, nor from the corruption of human nature, nor from actual sins and transgressions; yet, notwithstanding these, were so preserved that the law could not execute the sentence of condemnation on them, nor sin damn them, nor Satan, who led them captive, hale them to prison; and after calling, they are preserved not from indwelling sin, nor from the temptations of Satan, nor from doubts and fears and unbelief, nor from slips and falls into sin; but from the tyranny and dominion of sin, from being devoured by Satan, and from a total and final falling away; they are preserved in the love of God, and of Christ; in the covenant of grace; in a state of justification and adoption; and in the paths of truth, faith, and holiness; and are preserved safe to the heavenly kingdom and glory: their other character follows,
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Van · Jan 30, 2021

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If u want to call sacred truth rubbish, thats fine. John Gill comments:
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I presented the sacred truth, your view is precluded by scripture.

1) "The called" are those transferred into Christ.

2) The letter is addressed to (1) to those who are "the called," (2) to those beloved by the Father, and (3) to those kept in Christ Jesus. Thus the letter is addressed to people who are all three, and no sequence can be inferred.

3) In Jude 1:1 there is a textual variant, the TR reads "sanctified" and the CT reads "beloved."

4) The Called have been set apart in Christ, thus "sanctified" referring to positional sanctification.

5) Here is Jude 1:1 as rendered by the CEV:
From Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and the brother of James. To all who are chosen and loved by God the Father and are kept safe by Jesus Christ.

Brightfame52 · Jan 30, 2021

Van said: ↑

I presented the sacred truth, your view is precluded by scripture.

1) "The called" are those transferred into Christ.

2) The letter is addressed to (1) to those who are "the called," (2) to those beloved by the Father, and (3) to those kept in Christ Jesus. Thus the letter is addressed to people who are all three, and no sequence can be inferred.

3) In Jude 1:1 there is a textual variant, the TR reads "sanctified" and the CT reads "beloved."

4) The Called have been set apart in Christ, thus "sanctified" referring to positional sanctification.

5) Here is Jude 1:1 as rendered by the CEV:
From Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and the brother of James. To all who are chosen and loved by God the Father and are kept safe by Jesus Christ.
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The Called are those loved/sanctified by the Father before the foundation, when He Chose them in Christ. They were preserved in Christ even when they sinned in Adam. Later they are called out of a life of unregeneracy and spiritual death.

Van · Jan 31, 2021

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The Called are those loved/sanctified by the Father before the foundation, when He Chose them in Christ. They were preserved in Christ even when they sinned in Adam. Later they are called out of a life of unregeneracy and spiritual death.
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You still are ignoring 1 Peter 2:9-10 which precludes individual election before creation.
Thus the called are those who were called out of darkness, thus they existed in the domain of darkness, Colossians 1:13.

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