SALVATION BY THE SABBATH

[Berserk]

Jiohn the seer says, "I was in the Spirit on the Lord;s day (Greek:"kyriake"), i. e., the day of Christian worship. What day is that? "Kyriake" is created as a technical term for the Christian day of worship and is identified in the Gospel of Peter as the first Easter Sunday (9:35; 12:40). The Gospel of Peter is roughly contemporary with Revelation and is thus invaluable for clarifying the meaning of technical terms like "kyriake,' even if it is non-canonical. With the exception of some Jewish Christians, the NT church switched from Sabbath worship to Sunday worship in honor of the day of Jesus' resurrection.

Paul says, "Let no one judge you...in matters of festivals, new moons, and Sabbaths (Colossians 2:17)." Here Paul is defending Sunday worship against Judaizers who want the church to incorporate Jewish holy days and Sabbath worship. Paul would justify the change this way: "Christ is the end of the Law... to everyone who believes (Romans 10:4)." Though Sunday worship is the new norm, Paul is tolerant of dissent as long as house churches worship regularly: "One man esteems one day above another. Another man esteems every day the same. Let everyone be fully convinced in his own mind (Romans 14:5)."

 

[kyredneck]

Can you specify for me please, what this New Covenant contains?

Yes. Begin specifically at Matthew chapter 1 and read through Revelation chapter 22, Tells all about it.

 

[37818]

Ellen White is considered a more sure word than what Scripture appears to say.

That is not SDA of today. Yes, SDA have issues with their interpertations of Scripture. But the SDA of today hold the Scripture as their final authority. May I suggest the Kingdom of the Cults Appendix C. (I am not sure about the current edtion of the KOTC, which I do not have.) The downloadable on line PDF edition has that Appendex C.

 

[pythons]

That is not SDA of today. Yes, SDA have issues with their interpertations of Scripture. But the SDA of today hold the Scripture as their final authority. May I suggest the Kingdom of the Cults Appendix C. (I am not sure about the current edtion of the KOTC, which I do not have.) The downloadable on line PDF edition has that Appendex C.

The Kingdom of the Cults is in my Library, I'm also well aware of what Walter Martin said (on the record) about the SDA's prior to his death.

I just copied the below from What Adventists Believe about the Prophetic Gift - Adventist.org

What SDA's say today
"Prophecy is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit that God bestows upon humanity, as explained in 1 Corinthians 12, 1 Corinthians 14, Ephesians 4 and Romans 12. A person with this gift receives special insight from the Holy Spirit so they can share these messages from God with others.

Adventists embrace the significance of all the spiritual gifts, including prophecy, recognizing anyone can be used in this way if so moved by the Holy Spirit. One of the founders of the Adventist Church, Ellen White, is a prominent figure in history who demonstrated this gift in her ministry.

The spiritual gift of prophecy is an important way to be used by God. 1 Corinthians 14:1-5 describes it as a gift with particular usefulness and honor, saying “the person who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouragement, and consolation” and “builds up the church” (CSB)."

Just as the Bible places great importance on the spiritual gift of prophecy (1 Corinthians 14), Seventh-day Adventists believe this remains just as true today. This gift can be used any time to edify and warn God’s people, giving guidance on how to live now and how to prepare for the coming events and the end of the world.

One of the most prominent co-founders of the Seventh-day Adventist church, Ellen G. White, demonstrated the gift of prophecy and also met the criteria of the above tests of a prophet.

Her writings speak with prophetic authority and provide comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction to the church. She also made clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. Her role was to point people back to the Bible—never to replace it or supercede it.

Ellen White insights proved useful for aspiring Bible scholars learning how to interpret or apply Scripture to modern times. She also used her gift to hold congregations and individuals accountable when their choices had an impact on their spirituality, fellowship, or leadership.

All in all, the spiritual gift of prophecy has special meaning within the Adventist denomination because of the role it played in the formation of its history. Adventists also look forward to when we will see many more people being used by the Holy Spirit in this manner, as we draw closer to Jesus’ Second Coming.

NONE of the above repudiates the quotes I've listed in this thread, it only confirms it.

William Miller only had ONE MESSAGE, repent because Jesus is coming on X,Y, Z date - that was IT there was NO OTHER message.

Scores of Christians warned Ellen's group that the definite time part of the message Directly went against the teaching of the Bible. Ellen White, AS A PROPHET rebuked Christians who quoted Jesus that man couldn't know the date of the 2nd Coming. Does the below sound like a prophet to you?

Ellen White Early Writings:
The preaching of definite time called forth great opposition from all classes, from the minister in the pulpit down to the most reckless, heaven-daring sinner. "No man knoweth the day nor the hour," was heard from the hypocritical minister and the bold scoffer. Neither would be instructed and corrected by those who were pointing to the year when they believed the prophetic periods would run out, and to the signs which showed Christ near, even at the doors. Many shepherds of the flock, who professed to love Jesus, said that they had no opposition to the preaching of Christ's coming, but they objected to the definite time. God's all-seeing eye read their hearts. They did not love Jesus near. They knew that their unchristian lives would not stand the test, for they were not walking in the humble path marked out by Him. These false shepherds stood in the way of the work of God. The truth spoken in its convincing power aroused the people, and like the jailer, they began to inquire, "What must I do to be saved?" But these shepherds stepped in between the truth and the people, and preached smooth things to lead them from the truth. They united with Satan and his angels, crying, "Peace, peace," when there was no peace. Those who loved their ease and were content with their distance from God would not be aroused from their carnal security. I saw that angels of God marked it all; the garments of those unconsecrated shepherds were covered with the blood of souls. Ministers who would not accept this saving message themselves hindered those who would have received it. The blood of souls is upon them. Preachers and people joined to oppose this message from heaven and to persecute William Miller and those who united with him in the work. Falsehoods were circulated to injure his influence; and at different times after he had plainly declared the counsel of God, applying cutting truths to the hearts of his hearers, great rage was kindled against him, and as he left the place of meeting, some waylaid him in order to take his life. But angels of God were sent to protect him, and they led him safely away from the angry mob.

Now, you say the SDA's are different these days - I've just showed you where today SDA's affirm that Ellen White passed the text of being a true Prophet. In the above quote Ellen rebukes Christians for following the Bible instead of William Miller's FALSE message that would require them to directly violate Scripture. Ellen White does this same thing again after her group become convinced that Jesus would return in October of 1851.

The SDA's today will not repeat the Nicene Creed in their Church and today openly teach that Jesus could have sinned and lost His salvation, been annihilated by "God" and eternally cease to exist.

Now, to be sure there ARE some SDA's who believe that God is a single spiritual substance without body and parts with God the Son being the only member of the Trinity that is now God and Man. In my experience this is fairly rare.

 

[pythons]

To my knowledge the Seventh-day Adventist Church has not backed down from:

Ellen White
But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}

Ellen White
“It means eternal salvation TO keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord.God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." 1 Samuel 2:30. {6T 356.4}

“The change of the Sabbath is the sign or mark of the authority of the Romish church.” ... “The keeping of the counterfeit Sabbath is the reception of the mark.” (Ellen G. White, Great Controversy, Vol. 4, page 281).

“Here we find the mark of the beast. The very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, on the part of the Catholic church, without any authority from the Bible.” (Ellen G. White, The Mark of the Beast, page 23).


“The Sunday Sabbath is purely a child of the Papacy. It is the mark of the beast.” (Advent Review, Vol. I, No. 2, August, 1850).

The O.P. is "SALVATION BY THE SABBATH"

The SDA's claim that Ellen White passed the test of a true Bible Prophet...
....Ellen White claims her testimonies are the true interpretation of Scripture.
....IF she says up and the Bible says down you are to go with Ellen White.

IF you don't go with Ellen White you are in league with Satan just as the Christians of Ellen's time were said to be in league with Satan when they quoted Matthew 24, 36-51 when they disagreed that man could know the day of Jesus' 2nd Coming.

 

[Alex2165]

Yes. Begin specifically at Matthew chapter 1 and read through Revelation chapter 22, Tells all about it.

1689Dave wrote:

"We are now under the New Covenant. The Sabbath is not required. The Apostles did not establish it as an ordinance for anyone to keep."

You are absolutely right Kyredneck when you posted answer to my question which I ask 1689Dave about.

You presented excellent verses from Matthew that prove one very important thing that the Spiritual Laws of Moses and all the prophets are indeed the New Spiritual Covenant of Jesus Christ, and nothing else.

Thank you very much.

"at the beginning from Moses and from all the prophets..."

So if Jesus teach the Law of Moses and all the prophets only, and nothing else, all which contain 10 Commandments included Sabbath, and His teaching is called in the Bible as the New Covenant, then how come some "Christians" declare that they under His New Covenant but refuse to observe the Sabbath Day of the New Covenant of Jesus Christ?

It does not make any sense!

Or may be Jesus teach something else that only Dave knows but we do not?

I do not know what may possibly exist besides the New Spiritual Covenant of Jesus-the Law of Moses and the prophets, in which Sabbath does not required.

So what is really "new" in the New Covenant of Jesus Christ that Dave pointed to us?

I think that 1689Dave does not know the answer on this question but uses old clichés, and old saying of those who have no clue of what they are talking about.

 

[adamjedgar]

I find it interesting that the most common argument against keeping the sabbath is the one that claims "keeping the law is a burden"

I have some issues with the claims against keeping the 10 commandments and the Sabbath

1. God COMMANDED Adam in the Garden, do not eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The day in which you do this you will die (this was before sin and the fall of man).
So Gods laws, such as this one about obedience, existed BEFORE sin entered this world. If Adam and Eve in their sinless life were under the law, what on earth makes anyone here think that we are not bound by it?

2. Genesis2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:

How can we enter into Gods rest if we deny the only day of the week that he applied this rest to and sancitified?
For those who believe in the righteousness by faith model as outlined by the apostle Paul in the book of Romans, how does one ignore the Sanctification part of Pauls Salvation model? Are you saying Paul is wrong and that Sanctification is meaningless?

3. Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

I would think the above text is pretty self-explanatory...those saints who enter the kingdom of heaven are those who have two characteristics
1. keep the commandments of God
2. have the faith of Jesus (some translations say testimony...which would be the gospel)

Jesus is universally called the Lord of the Sabbath, indeed scholars agree Jesus IS the Sabbath. To deny the Sabbath is denying our Lord and Saviour...we are denying salvation. That is an irrefutable fact!

 

[pythons]

I find it interesting that the most common argument against keeping the sabbath is the one that claims "keeping the law is a burden"

I have some issues with the claims against keeping the 10 commandments and the Sabbath

1. God COMMANDED Adam in the Garden, do not eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The day in which you do this you will die (this was before sin and the fall of man).
So Gods laws, such as this one about obedience, existed BEFORE sin entered this world. If Adam and Eve in their sinless life were under the law, what on earth makes anyone here think that we are not bound by it?

2. Genesis2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:

How can we enter into Gods rest if we deny the only day of the week that he applied this rest to and sancitified?
For those who believe in the righteousness by faith model as outlined by the apostle Paul in the book of Romans, how does one ignore the Sanctification part of Pauls Salvation model? Are you saying Paul is wrong and that Sanctification is meaningless?

3. Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

I would think the above text is pretty self-explanatory...those saints who enter the kingdom of heaven are those who have two characteristics
1. keep the commandments of God
2. have the faith of Jesus (some translations say testimony...which would be the gospel)

Jesus is universally called the Lord of the Sabbath, indeed scholars agree Jesus IS the Sabbath. To deny the Sabbath is denying our Lord and Saviour...we are denying salvation. That is an irrefutable fact!

No one I know of that assembles on Sunday teaches or otherwise implies we are in an antinomian state - this is something SDA's and other Adventist groups claim but its meritless. The origins of this "teaching" come from the Adventist rejection of Spirit existing apart from Matter as they believed and aggressively taught Father God to have a hominid form body with FLESH, organs, members and parts. in other word's The Father was understood to be the ONLY God and this "BEING" had a digestive tract exactly like a perfect man.

The following comes from the Adventist "SABBATH HERALD" March 7, 1854 whereas the article makes a distinction between the SABBATH God Vs. the SUNDAY GOD.

THE SUNDAY GOD.
We will make a few extracts, that the reader may see the broad contrast between the God of the Bible brought to light through Sabbath-keeping, and the god in the dark through Sunday-keeping. Catholic Catechism Abridged by the Rt. Rev. John Pubois, Bishop of New York. Page 5. Ques. Where is God ? Ans. God is everywhere. Q. Does God see and know all things 3 A. Yes, he does know and see all things. Q. Has God anybody 1 A. No; God has no body, he is a pure Spirit. Q. Are there more Gods than pne ? A. No; there is but one God. Q. Are there more persons than one in God ? A. Yes ; in God there are three persons. Q. Which are they 1 A. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. Q. Are there not three Gods ? A. No; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, are all but one and the same God.

The first article of the Methodist Religion, p. 8.
There is but one living and true God, everlasting, without body or parts, of infinite power, wisdom and goodness: the maker and preserver of all things, visible and invisible. And in unity of this God-head, there are three persons of one substance,
power and eternity ; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. In this article like the Catholic doctrine, we are taught that there are three persons of one substance, power and eternity making in all one living and true God, everlasting without body or
parts. But in all this we are not told what became of the body of Jesus who had a body when he ascended, who went to God who " is everywhere" or nowhere. Doxology. "To God the Father, God the Son, God the Spirit, three in one." Again. "Warms in the sun, refreshes in the breeze, Slows in the stars, and blossoms in the trees. Lives through all life, extends through all extent, Spreads undivided and operates unspent."—Pope. These ideas well accord with those heathen philosophers.

As you can see those who subscribe to the "Trinity Doctrine" are said to worship the Catholic Trinity God while observing the Sabbath causes one to recognize THE SABBATH GOD who is said to have all the members & parts of a perfect man.

The Sabbath is claimed to remove the error of the Trinity. Its important to note what's driving Sabbath observance.

James White ( Ellen White's husband )
"We invite all to compare THE TESTIMONIES of the Holy Spirit THROUGH Mrs. White with the word of God. And in this we do not invite you to compare them with your creed. That is quite another thing. The TRINITARIAN may compare them with his creed, and because THEY DO NOT AGREE WITH IT, CONDEMN them [ the testimonies of Mrs. White ]. The Adventist Sabbath Herald June 13, 1871

 

[adamjedgar]

No one I know of that assembles on Sunday teaches or otherwise implies we are in an antinomian state - this is something SDA's and other Adventist groups claim but its meritless. The origins of this "teaching" come from the Adventist rejection of Spirit existing apart from Matter as they believed and aggressively taught Father God to have a hominid form body with FLESH, organs, members and parts. in other word's The Father was understood to be the ONLY God and this "BEING" had a digestive tract exactly like a perfect man.

As you can see those who subscribe to the "Trinity Doctrine" are said to worship the Catholic Trinity God while observing the Sabbath causes one to recognize THE SABBATH GOD who is said to have all the members & parts of a perfect man.

The Sabbath is claimed to remove the error of the Trinity. Its important to note what's driving Sabbath observance.

I am not sure how what you have just written has any bearing on what i just stated.

I quoted you bible texts...not human publishers and their opinions/interpretations.

I did not quote any Adventist references...in any case, the Sabbath is a Jewish institution, not an Adventist one. The early Adventist group didnt even worship on the Sabbath!



Now back to the point...

its important to avoid explaining away bible texts using convenient historically false human ideas. Contrary to popular belief, the early first-century Christian church DID NOT worship on Sunday...they worshipped on the Sabbath. Sunday worship started to gain a following in the second and third centuries.

So for those who are seeking an answer to the question if i dont keep the sabbath will i be lost?

How can YOU enter Jesus rest, if YOU deny HIS Sabbath? Jesus isnt condemning us, we condemn ourselves!

Again, i quote Revelation 14:12

"Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who ":
1. keep the commandments of God"
2. "and have the faith of Jesus."

And finally, the very first commandment given to man was not "thous shalt have no other Gods before me". It was actually given to Adam before sin even enterred this world when God "commanded" Adam in the Garden to "not eat of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil lest he would die"!

So the law is not bound by sin...it does not exist because of sin. The law is outside of sin, however, sin is disobedience, disobedience is transgression of the eternal law of God! That eternal law is the 10 commandments!

 

[pythons]

I am not sure how what you have just written has any bearing on what i just stated.

I quoted you bible texts...not human publishers and their opinions/interpretations.

I did not quote any Adventist references...in any case, the Sabbath is a Jewish institution, not an Adventist one. The early Adventist group didnt even worship on the Sabbath!

It has bearing because I've never met a Sabbatarian who was a Trinitarian. Yes, the Sabbath as a feast day was a given by God to Israel specifically. The early "MILLERITES" didn't worship on the Sabbath. After William Miller ( a Baptist ) renounced his error and violation of Scripture he disbanded the group he started. The only thing left after that were the anti-Trinitarians - these were the "ADVENTISTS". The Adventist group started to splinter due to Doctrinal differences - the group that paid homage to Ellen White became the "Seventh-day" Adventists. To put it another way a Christadelphian is as much as Adventist as an SDA, they're just not Seventh-day Adventist.

Now back to the point...

its important to avoid explaining away bible texts using convenient historically false human ideas. Contrary to popular belief, the early first-century Christian church DID NOT worship on Sunday...they worshipped on the Sabbath. Sunday worship started to gain a following in the second and third centuries.

The earliest Christians were Jews, they initially worshipped where all Jew's worshiped - the Temple in Jerusalem. After the Resurrection of Christ Christians were meeting in home Churches and contrary to your theory - were meeting for worship of Christ as God on the 1st day of the week.

So for those who are seeking an answer to the question if i dont keep the sabbath will i be lost?

How can YOU enter Jesus rest, if YOU deny HIS Sabbath? Jesus isnt condemning us, we condemn ourselves!

Again, i quote Revelation 14:12

"Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who ":
1. keep the commandments of God"
2. "and have the faith of Jesus."

And finally, the very first commandment given to man was not "thous shalt have no other Gods before me". It was actually given to Adam before sin even enterred this world when God "commanded" Adam in the Garden to "not eat of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil lest he would die"!

So the law is not bound by sin...it does not exist because of sin. The law is outside of sin, however, sin is disobedience, disobedience is transgression of the eternal law of God! That eternal law is the 10 commandments!

You condemn yourself by thinking that observance of a ceremonial law is somehow adding credit to your account with God. This isn't how it works. A Christian has as much business observing a Gregorian Saturday as a Sabbath as they have in observing the Day of Atonement or the Passover.

 

[rstrats]

A Christian has as much business observing a Gregorian Saturday as a Sabbath as they have in observing the Day of Atonement or the Passover.

How about the Feast of Tabernacles?

 

[Mathetes66]

The Historical Record: Christians gathered together on the first day of the week (Sunday)

1. They state that they stopped keeping the Sabbath to worship on Sunday, which started with the apostles. None say they kept the 7th day Sabbath. The only mention of Sabbath keeping was by Eusebius in 300 AD by a cult-sect known as the Ebionites, who Eusebius says also worshiped on the first day. (Ebionites were a cult of Judaizers who enforced circumcision, rejected Apostle Paul's teachings, denied Jesus' virgin birth and his Deity.)
   
   
2. They partook of the Lord's Supper (communion) every first day.
3. They called the first day (Sunday) the Lord's day.
4. They called the day Jesus rose from the dead, the Lord's Day.
5. They said the reason they gathered together on the first day, was because it was a weekly memorial of the day Jesus rose from the dead!
6. They outright stated that no one prior to Moses (Adam, Noah, Abraham etc) ever kept the Sabbath because it was Moses who first gave the Sabbath law and the ten commandments to the nation of Israel (430 years after the Abrahamic covenenant!)
7. Augustine actually stated Christians are bound to keep 9 of the 10 Commandments [because the NT repeats & re-introduces them in a different form] but are free to break the Sabbath!
8. The earliest Christians never considered Sunday to be a rest day or the Sabbath. You will observe that the first mention of Sunday being a day of rest was in 220AD by Origen. This is the beginning of the current false doctrine, that Sunday is the Christian Sabbath, as some churches today.
9. While Sabbatarians will quote 20th century authors who guess about what happened 1900 years earlier, we quote Christians whose writings are 1900 years old and spoke of what they saw!

The record of history, from the Resurrection of Christ, Christians have gathered together on the first day of the week & not on the Sabbath (7th day). Sunday is not a Christian Sabbath or a day of rest, or a holy day to be kept. It is the day God requires all Christians to gather together to worship and eat the Lord's Supper (communion, break bread) Acts 20:7. Christians do not keep the ten commandment law of Moses. This is not to say that Christians are free to steal, murder and commit adultery, just because the 10 commandments have been abolished. No! Christians are under a new law, a better Law, the law of Christ, (Gal 6:2) a better covenant (Heb 8:6-7). There are 613 commandments in the Law of Moses. In the NT there are 1050 commandments mentioned (new commandment, the 'one anothers', etc.).

The next post will include many historical quotes showing this to be true.

 

[Mathetes66]

The word "Sabbath" is not found in Genesis nor a command to keep the Sabbath for anyone. Gen 2:2-3 was written by Moses to tell Jews at Sinai the meaning behind WHY they were to keep it, NOT WHEN it was instituted.

90-120AD THE DIDACHE: "But on the Lord's own day gather yourselves together & break bread, & give thanks, first confessing your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure." (Didache 14).

90AD DIDACHE: ...every Lord's day, hold your solemn assemblies & rejoice: for he will be guilty of sin who fasts on the Lord's day, being the day of the resurrection... (Constitutions of the Holy Apostles, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. 7, pg. 449)

90AD DIDACHE: And on the day of our Lord's resurrection, which is the Lord's day, meet more diligently, sending praise to God that made the universe by Jesus & sent Him to us, & condescended to let Him suffer & raised Him from the dead. Otherwise what apology will he make to God who does not assemble on that day to hear the saving word concerning the resurrection? (Constitutions of the Holy Apostles, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. 7, pg. 423)

90AD DIDACHE: On the day of the resurrection of the Lord, that is, the Lord's day, assemble yourselves together, without fail, giving thanks to God & praising Him for those mercies God has bestowed upon you through Christ & has delivered you from ignorance, error & bondage, that your sacrifice may be unspotted & acceptable to God. Who has said concerning His universal Church: "In every place shall incense & a pure sacrifice be offered unto me; for I am a great King, saith the Lord Almighty & my name is wonderful among the heathen, [Malachi 1:11, 14] (Constitutions of the Holy Apostles, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. 7, pg. 471)

107AD IGNATIUS: Be not deceived with strange doctrines nor with old fables, which are unprofitable. For if we still live according to the Jewish law, we acknowledge that we have not received grace. If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing Sabbaths, but fashioning their lives after the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him & by His death. (which some deny) Through which mystery we received faith & on account of which we suffer in order that we may be found disciples of Jesus Christ our only teacher, how shall we be able to live apart from him for whom even the prophets were looking as their teacher since they were his disciples in the Spirit? Let every friend of Christ keep the Lord's Day as a festival, the resurrection-day, the queen & chief of all the days of the week. It is absurd to speak of Jesus Christ with the tongue & to cherish in the mind a Judaism which has now come to an end. For where there is Christianity there cannot be Judaism. (Ignatius, Epistle to the Magnesians, ch 8-9. Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 1, pg. 62-63.)

100 AD BARNABAS "We keep the 8th day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (The Epistle of Barnabas, 100 AD 15:6-8).

100 AD BARNABAS: Moreover God says to the Jews, 'Your new moons & Sabbaths I cannot endure.' You see how he says, 'The present Sabbaths are not acceptable to me, but the Sabbath which I have made in which, when I have rested [Heb 4] from all things, I will make the beginning of the 8th day which is the beginning of another world.' Wherefore we Christians keep the 8th day for joy, on which also Jesus arose from the dead and when he appeared ascended into heaven. (15:8f, The Epistle of Barnabas, 100 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , vol. 1, pg. 147)

110AD PLINY: They were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god & bound themselves by a solemn oath not to (do) any wicked deeds, never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up. After which it was their custom to separate & then reassemble to partake of good food—but food of an ordinary & innocent kind.

150AD EPISTLE OF THE APOSTLES.- I [Christ] have come into being on the eighth day which is the day of the Lord. (18)

150AD JUSTIN MARTYR: "He then speaks of those Gentiles, namely us, who in every place offer sacrifices to Him, i.e., the bread of the Eucharist, and also the cup of the Eucharist, affirming both that we glorify His name, and that you profane [it]. The command of circumcision, again, bidding [them] always circumcise the children on the eighth day, was a type of the true circumcision, by which we are circumcised from deceit and iniquity through Him who rose from the dead on the first day after the Sabbath, [namely through] our Lord Jesus Christ. For the first day after the Sabbath, remaining the first of all the days, is called, however, the eighth, according to the number of all the days of the cycle, and [yet] remains the first.". (Justin, Dialogue 41:4)

150AD JUSTIN: ...those who have persecuted and do persecute Christ, if they do not repent, shall not inherit anything on the holy mountain. But the Gentiles, who have believed on Him, and have repented of the sins which they have committed, they shall receive the inheritance along with the patriarchs and the prophets, and the just men who are descended from Jacob, even although they neither keep the Sabbath, nor are circumcised, nor observe the feasts. Assuredly they shall receive the holy inheritance of God. (Dialogue With Trypho the Jew, 150-165 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , vol. 1, page 207)

150AD JUSTIN: But if we do not admit this, we shall be liable to fall into foolish opinion, as if it were not the same God who existed in the times of Enoch and all the rest, who neither were circumcised after the flesh, nor observed Sabbaths, nor any other rites, seeing that Moses enjoined such observances... For if there was no need of circumcision before Abraham, or of the observance of Sabbaths, of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses; no more need is there of them now, after that, according to the will of God, Jesus Christ the Son of God has been born without sin, of a virgin sprung from the stock of Abraham. (Dialogue With Trypho the Jew, 150-165 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , vol. 1, page 206)

150AD JUSTIN: "And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs & exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together & pray & as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine & water are brought & the president in like manner offers prayers & thanksgivings, according to his ability & the people assent, saying Amen & there is a distribution to each & a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who helps the orphans & widows & those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want & those who are in bonds & the strangers sojourning among us & in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration." (First apology of Justin, Weekly Worship of the Christians, Ch 68)

150AD JUSTIN: Moreover, all those righteous men already mentioned [after mentioning Adam. Abel, Enoch, Lot, Noah, Melchizedek, and Abraham], though they kept no Sabbaths, were pleasing to God; and after them Abraham with all his descendants until Moses... And you [fleshly Jews] were commanded to keep Sabbaths, that you might retain the memorial of God. For His word makes this announcement, saying, "That you may know that I am God who redeemed you." (Dialogue With Trypho the Jew, 150-165 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , vol. 1, page 204)

150AD JUSTIN: There is no other thing for which you blame us, my friends, is there than this? That we do not live according to the Law, nor, are we circumcised in the flesh as your forefathers, nor do we observe the Sabbath as you do. (Dialogue with Trypho 10:1. In verse 3 the Jew Trypho acknowledges that Christians 'do not keep the Sabbath.')

150AD JUSTIN: We are always together with one another. & with which we are supplied we bless the Maker of all through his Son Jesus Christ & through his Holy Spirit. And on the day called Sunday there is a gathering together in the same place of all who live in a city or a rural district. (following is an account of a Christian worship service, which is quoted in VII.2.) We all make our assembly in common on the day of the Sun, since it is the first day, on which God changed the darkness & matter & made the world & Jesus Christ our Savior arose from the dead on the same day. For they crucified him on the day before Saturn's day & on the day after (which is the day of the Sun He appeared to his apostles & taught his disciples these things. (Apology, 1, 67:1-3, 7; 1st Apology, 145 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , Vol. 1, pg. 186)

 

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155 AD JUSTIN "[W]e too would observe the fleshly circumcision & the Sabbaths & in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined [on] you--namely, on account of your transgressions & the hardness of your heart. . . . [H]ow is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us--I speak of fleshly circumcision & Sabbaths & feasts?...God enjoined you [Jews] to keep the Sabbath & impose on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said, on account of your unrighteousness & that of your fathers" (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 18, 21).

180AD ACTS OF PETER: Paul had often contended with the Jewish teachers & had confuted them, saying 'it is Christ on whom your fathers laid hands. He abolished their Sabbath & fasts & festivals & circumcision.' (Acts of Peter 1:1-2)

180AD GOSPEL OF PETER: Early in the morning when the Sabbath dawned, a multitude from Jerusalem & the surrounding country came to see the scaled tomb. In the night in which the 'Lord's day' dawned, while the soldiers in pairs for each watch were keeping guard, a great voice came from heaven...Early in the morning of the Lord's day Mary Magdalene, a disciple of the Lord …. came to the tomb. (Gospel of Peter 9:34f.; 12:50f.)

190AD CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA: (in commenting on each of the Ten Commandments & their Christian meaning The seventh day is proclaimed a day of rest, preparing by abstention from evil for the Primal day, our true rest. (Miscellanies VII. xvi. 138.1)

190AD CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA: He does the commandment according to the Gospel & keeps the Lord's day, whenever he puts away an evil mind . . . glorifying the Lord's resurrection in himself. (Miscellanies VII.xii.76.4)

190AD CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA: Plato prophetically speaks of the Lord's day in the tenth book of the Republic, in these words: 'And when seven days have passed to each of them in the meadow, on the eighth they must go on." (Miscellanies V.xiv.106.2)

200AD BARDESANES: Wherever we are, we are all called after the one name of Christ Christians. On one day, the first of the week, we assemble ourselves together (On Fate, 5)

200AD TERTULLIAN: "We solemnize the day after Saturday in contradistinction to those who call this day their Sabbath" (Tertullian's Apology, Ch 16)

200AD TERTULLIAN: It follows, accordingly, that, in so far as the abolition of carnal circumcision & of the old law is demonstrated as having been consummated at its specific times, so also the observance of the Sabbath is demonstrated to have been temporary. (An Answer to the Jews 4:1, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. 3, page 155)

200AD TERTULLIAN: Let him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed a balm of salvation & circumcision on the 8th day because of threat of death, teach us that in earliest times righteous men kept Sabbath or practiced circumcision & so were made friends of God. .. ...Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised & inobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering Him sacrifices, was by Him commended... Noah also - God freed from the deluge. Enoch, too, most righteous man, He translated from this world... Melchizedek also, "the priest of most high God," uncircumcised & inobservant of the Sabbath, was chosen to the priesthood of God. (An Answer to the Jews 2:10; 4:1, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. 3, page 153)

200AD TERTULLIAN: Others . . . suppose that the sun is the god of the Christians, because it is well-known that we regard Sunday as a day of joy. (To the Nations 1: 133)

200AD TERTULLIAN: To us Sabbaths are foreign. (On Idolatry, 14:6)4

220AD ORIGEN: "On Sunday none of the world's actions should be done. Abstain from works of this world & keep yourselves free for spiritual things, go to church, listen to the readings & divine homilies, meditate on heavenly things. (Homil. 23 in Numeros 4, PG 12:749)

220 AD ORIGEN: "Hence it is not possible that the [day of] rest after the sabbath should have come into existence from the 7th [day] of our God. On the contrary, it is our Savior who, after the pattern of his own rest, caused us to be made in the likeness of his death, & hence also of his resurrection" (Commentary on John 2:28).

225 AD THE DIDASCALIA: "The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service & the reading of the Holy Scriptures & the oblation. Because on the 1st day of the week our Lord rose from the place of the dead & on the 1st day of the week he arose upon the world & on the 1st day of the week he ascended up to heaven & on the 1st day of the week he will appear at last with the angels of heaven" (Didascalia 2).

250AD CYPRIAN: The eight day, that is, the first day after the Sabbath & the Lord's Day." (Epistle 58, Sec 4)

300 AD VICTORINUS: "The 6th day [Friday] is called parasceve, that is to say, the preparation of the kingdom. . . . On this day also, on account of the passion of the Lord Jesus Christ, we make either a station to God or a fast. On the 7th day he rested from all his works & blessed it & sanctified it. On the former day we are accustomed to fast rigorously, that on the Lord's day we may go forth to our bread with giving of thanks. And let the parasceve become a rigorous fast, lest we should appear to observe any Sabbath with the Jews . . . which Sabbath he [Christ] in his body abolished" (The Creation of the World).

300AD EUSEBIUS OF CAESAREA: "They did not, therefore, regard circumcision nor observe the Sabbath neither do we; … because such things as these do not belong to Christians" (Ecc. Hist., Book 1, Ch. 4)

300AD EUSEBIUS OF CAESAREA: [The Ebionites] were accustomed to observe the Sabbath & other Jewish customs but on the Lord's days to celebrate the same practices as we in remembrance of the resurrection of the Savior. (Church History Ill.xxvii.5)

300AD Eusebius of Caesarea: "They [the early saints of the Old Testament] did not care about circumcision of the body, neither do we [Christians]. They did not care about observing Sabbaths, nor do we. They did not avoid certain kinds of food, neither did they regard the other distinctions which Moses first delivered to their posterity to be observed as symbols; nor do Christians of the present day do such things" (Church History 1:4:8).

300AD EUSEBIUS OF CAESAREA: "The day of his [Christ's] light . . . was the day of his resurrection from the dead, which they say, as being the one & only truly holy day & the Lord's day, is better than any number of days as we ordinarily understand them & better than the days set apart by the Mosaic Law for feasts, new moons & Sabbaths, which the Apostle [Paul] teaches are the shadow of days & not days in reality" (Proof of the Gospel 4:16:186).

345AD ATHANASIUS: "The sabbath was the end of the first creation, the Lord's day was the beginning of the 2nd, in which he renewed & restored the old in the same way as he prescribed that they should formerly observe the sabbath as a memorial of the end of the first things, so we honor the Lord's day as being the memorial of the new creation" (On Sabbath & Circumcision 3).

350AD CYRIL OF JERUSALEM: "Fall not away either into the Samaritan's sect or into Judaism, for Jesus has henceforth ransomed you. Stand aloof from all observance of Sabbaths & from calling any indifferent meats common/unclean" (Catechetical Lectures 4:37).

360AD COUNCIL OF LAODICEA: "Christians should not Judaize and should not be idle on the sabbath, but should work on that day; they should, however, particularly reverence the Lord's day and, if possible, not work on it, because they were Christians" (canon 29).

387AD JOHN CHRYSOSTOM: "You have put on Christ, you have become a member of the Lord and been enrolled in the heavenly city, and you still grovel in the Law [of Moses]? How is it possible for you to obtain the kingdom? Listen to Paul's words, that the observance of the Law overthrows the gospel, and learn, if you will, how this comes to pass & tremble & shun this pitfall. Why do you keep the Sabbath & fast with the Jews?" (Homilies on Gal 2:17).

387AD JOHN CHRYSOSTOM: "The rite of circumcision was venerable in the Jews' account, forasmuch as the Law itself gave way thereto & the Sabbath was less esteemed than circumcision. For that circumcision might be performed, the Sabbath was broken; but that the Sabbath might be kept, circumcision was never broken & mark, I pray, the dispensation of God. This is found to be even more solemn that the Sabbath, as not being omitted at certain times. When then it is done away, much more is the Sabbath" (Homilies on Philippians 10).

400AD THE APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTIONS: "And on the day of our Lord's resurrection, which is the Lord's day, meet more diligently, sending praise to God that made the universe by Jesus, and sent him to us, and condescended to let him suffer, and raised him from the dead. Otherwise what apology will he make to God who does not assemble on that day . . . in which is performed the reading of the prophets, the preaching of the gospel, the oblation of the sacrifice, the gift of the holy food" (Apostolic Constitutions 2:7:60).

Civil laws REQUIRING (FORCING) the observance of Sunday date back at least to Emperor Constantine the Great, who designated Sunday as a legal day of rest & worship in 321,
when he decreed that all work should cease on Sunday, except that farmers could work if necessary. This Roman empire law, however was not specifically Christian, since Sunday was the day of the sun-god for pagans as well as the Lord's day for Christians. He as the emperor was trying to appease both, in order to establish peace.

 

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And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Will there be a Sabbath every seventh day?

 

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Thank you Percho, for reminding us, that God has not finished yet with the nation of Israel & His promises to Abraham--during this 'time of the Gentiles' & the growth of the church, the Body of Christ. All the prophets in the OT speak of God bringing people from the 12 tribes back into the land, gathering them from all the nations to which they have been scattered, purifying them as a nation & reigning over all the nations from jerusalem for 1000 years on this earth, fufilling God's promises to King David & His promise to His apostles.

Ezek 36:23-25 I will show the holiness of My great name, which has been profaned among the nations—the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Lord GOD, when I show My holiness in you before their eyes. For I will take you from among the nations & gather you out of all the countries & i will bring you back into your own land. I will also sprinkle clean water on you & you will be clean. I will cleanse you from all your impurities & all your idols.

Zech 10:8-12 I will whistle for them to gather, for I have redeemed them & they will be as numerous as they once were. Though I sow them among the nations, they will remember Me in distant lands; they & their children will live & return. I will bring them back from Egypt &
gather them from Assyria. I will bring them to Gilead & Lebanon until no more room is found for them. They will pass through the sea of distress & strike the waves of the sea; all the depths of the Nile will dry up. The pride of Assyria will be brought down & the scepter of Egypt will depart. I will strengthen them in the LORD & in His name they will walk.

Psalm 2:6-12 As for me, I have set my King on Zion, my holy hill.” I will tell of the decree:
The LORD said to me, “You are my Son; today I have begotten you. Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage, and the ends of the earth your possession. You shall breakb them with a rod of iron and dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.”

10Now therefore, O kings, be wise; be warned, O rulers of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and you perish in the way,
for his wrath is quickly kindled. Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

For the nation of Israel during the millenium, there will only be a morning thanksgiving sacrifice, the keeping of the feast of tabernacles & keeping the weekly Sabbath.

Ezekiel 37:25 “And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt & they shall dwell therein, even they & their children & their children’s children for ever & my servant David shall be their prince for ever.”

Ezek 47:6-14 “Son of man, do you see this?” he asked. Then he led me back to the bank of the river.7When I arrived, I saw a great number of trees along both banks of the river. 8And he said to me, “This water flows out to the eastern region and goes down into the Arabah. When it empties into the Sea,b the water there becomes fresh.c 9Wherever the river flows, there will be swarms of living creatures and a great number of fish, because it flows there and makes the waters fresh; so wherever the river flows, everything will flourish.10Fishermen will stand by the shore; from En-gedi to En-eglaim they will spread their nets to catch fish of many kinds, like the fish of the Great Sea.d11But the swamps and marshes will not become fresh; they will be left for salt.12Along both banks of the river, fruit trees of all kinds will grow. Their leaves will not wither, and their fruit will not fail. Each month they will bear fruit, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will be used for food and their leaves for healing.”13This is what the Lord GOD says: “These are the boundaries by which you are to divide the land as an inheritance among the twelve tribes of Israel; Joseph shall receive two portions.e 14You are to divide it equally among them. Because I swore with an uplifted hand to give it to your forefathers, this land will fall to you as an inheritance.

However, after the wicked are judged & they & the devil & the demons are thrown into the lake of fire, then God will make a new heavens & earth, the heavenly Jerusalem that will come down to the new earth & be the dwelling place of the living God & His redeemed resurrected saints. There will be no sun or moon for the Lamb is their light. With no moon or sun, one does not have them available anymore for days and weeks and months & years so it seems there will be no more festivals or keeping the weekly Sabbath, since all have ENTERED INTO GOD'S REST (Heb 3 & 4). Some more thoughts to ponder.