Salvation: Eternal and Timely

[pinoybaptist]

Debating this is like debating that one can be an active homosexual and it be "ok."

Where is the similarity, if you will be so kind as to point it out.

The Bible is very clear.

Indeed, it is. Eternal salvation is entirely the work of Jesus Christ from start to finish, and finish it He did. Unless you have Scripture to prove that He stood up from sitting at the right hand of power to grant redemption to every person you get saved by your preaching, and then sits down again, then try to study the issue instead of sticking to your pride because when all is said and done, that is all it is, pride. You are unable to entertain the possibility that the mainstream doctrine you have believed, studied, earned a diploma for, got ordained in, preached, and taught for years could be entirely wrong at worst or misrepresented at best.

And indeed the Bible is clear that after Jesus Christ finished His work of redemption there was a need to send out His apostles to reach as many as they can with the good news that they no longer have to go about establishing their own righteousnesses and grope in the dark, but that their righteousness is Christ and therefore they should repent, put their faith in Christ, follow Him, and praise God in the midst of their congregation. That is their timely salvation, they need to work it out with fear and trembling.

There's no need to debate it within the circles of Bible believing folks. It's the same with this double salvation heresy. It is extra Biblical.

Eternal salvation as I have presented it - all of Christ, as well as time salvation or gospel salvation, as I presented it above and in other posts, were both entirely Biblical in its principles and application.
Your contention that for Christ's work at the cross to be effective the individual must put in his contribution of faith and repentance is extra-Biblical and dishonors Christ.

Anyone teaching this or advocating this in my church would find himself or herself hunting a new church or I'd be finding another church to serve because apostasy is being tolerated in the ranks.

I have long ago understood, even before becoming a Primitive Baptist, that mainstream Christianity was missing a lot of things. Before I became a Primitive Baptist, I have already understood that eternal salvation and time salvation are two different aspects of the same salvation or two different kinds of salvation being taught in Scriptures.

This realization was brought about by mainstream Christianity's own teaching that salvation is by grace through faith, with faith being my faith which just doesn't square with the first statement because my faith, just like everybody else's, often wavers, and if salvation is by grace through my faith, then I can never hope to get to heaven.

Only when I realized that the work of Christ is firmly grounded in Him because He is God's righteousness did I realize that my faith may waver, but my eternal destiny is secure.

So I wouldn't mind not being under your tutelage. It's going to get me nowhere.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Debating this is like debating that one can be an active homosexual and it be "ok."

still waiting for you to point out why "this" is like being an active homosexual and it be ok.

 

[lbaker]

Pinoy,

I think I understand where you're coming from. But, I think you may be working on a false assumption that saying we are saved by faith eternally somehow discredits or dishonors the work Jesus did. I don't see it that way. Jesus did the work, all the work, needed to get folks saved. ALL we are doing by our faith is to accept what Jesus has done, FOR us. We could have all the faith in the world and get baptized 50 times, but without Jesus' work it would be for nothing. It is Jesus' work that saves us, not our baptism, not our faith, nothing we DO can save us.

Do you see the difference in earning something and simply accepting what is freely offered, by faith?

Probably ain't gonna change your mind on this but thought maybe I could at least explain my thinking on it.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Pinoy,

I think I understand where you're coming from. But, I think you may be working on a false assumption that saying we are saved by faith eternally somehow discredits or dishonors the work Jesus did. I don't see it that way. Jesus did the work, all the work, needed to get folks saved. ALL we are doing by our faith is to accept what Jesus has done, FOR us. We could have all the faith in the world and get baptized 50 times, but without Jesus' work it would be for nothing. It is Jesus' work that saves us, not our baptism, not our faith, nothing we DO can save us.

Do you see the difference in earning something and simply accepting what is freely offered, by faith?

Probably ain't gonna change your mind on this but thought maybe I could at least explain my thinking on it.

I would like to thank you for being civil in this discussion, lbaker, which cannot be said of some on the board.
You still do not really see what i am trying to get at, thougn.
Eternal salvation is not premised on anything we do. Accept it or not, if it was meant for you, then you have it, and the only way you will know you have it is when you get to heaven, because that is the ultimate purpose of why Christ redeemed sinners, to take them to heaven, not to have them stay on earth.
If you will take a look at Ephesians 2:7, among the reasons God saved His people is "That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus".
Likewise Paul states in his letter to the Corinthians that if in this life only we have hope in Christ we are of all men miserable.
From these two verses alone we see that eternal salvation is for the eternal glory of God in eternity. We cannot take credit for it, nor partake of it in any way, such as putting in our faith into the mix.
Eternal salvation is all about God, all about Jesus, and all about God's glory.

So whether we have faith or not, our ultimate destination is heaven because of God's will and of His mercy and kindness alone, nothing else.

Now, after having redeemed those He was to redeem, Jesus wants this redemption revealed to as many of His people as His Apostles can get to, teaching them to quit whatever religion they have, and put their faith in the righteousness of Christ. That is when they get time salvation: from this untoward generation, from ignorance, from darkness, etc., and the natural result of obedience is the flow of blessings from the God who loved them before they loved Him, while the natural result of disobedience, naturally, is a separation from this God's blessings. However, not all who were eternally redeemed will experience the benefits of timely salvation here on earth.

What happened is that today's preaching says Christ ONLY is responsible for one's eternal salvation but then proceeds to load this truth with requirements such as repentance, obedience, faith, or whatnot therefore dimming the simplicity that is in Christ. In short, they have mistakenly (I hope) confused eternal salvation with temporal salvation. But my own personal opinion is that this is still an echo of Roman Catholicism's works-based salvation system.

But whatever it is, the bottom line is that our eternal salvation depends solely on the finished work of Christ, predicated upon His mercy and obedience to the Father who wants His people with Him in heaven.

 

[sag38]

I'm not equating the argument with homosexuality. Rather I am saying that debating it is like debating whether homosexuality is ok. How in the world do we find ourselves debating something that is clearly not in the Bible? That's my point.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

But, sag, it is in the Bible... if you twist the meanings of 'predestination,' 'all,' 'whole,' and other words that Calvinist doctrine change to fit their own belief.

 

[sag38]

Now we see the truth. There is no need for evangelism. There is no need to give an invitation. People, if they are predestined, are going to be saved no matter what they do or do not do. Of course I think that's taking Calvinism way too far but you preach that at your church and I'll preach against it at my church. My Bible tells me to "go." My Bible shows that the first church, above all else, was highly evangelsitic. They didn't lock themselves up within the safe walls of their church waiting for the world to come to them. Rather they went out into the world and fished. You don't catch fish sitting inside a building, unless your icefishing. You have to go to where the fish are and actively go after them. Now that's Biblical.

 

[sag38]

Piney, if I've appeared to be rude I apologize. We will just have a agree to disagree. We clearly do not see in the scripture the same thing. And, while you accuse me and others of not rightly dividing the word I have leveled the same accusation against you. And, so we both have a bloody nose. I for one have better things to do than to trade blows with a bother in Christ.

On this we agree. A part from the work of God in my life, revealing to me the truth, convicting me of my sin, and leading me into His grace, I could not have been saved. Now don't accuse me of being a Calvinist. I'm not. I hate that label. Simply, I am a born again believer who actively shares the good news of Jesus Christ whenever the opportunity presents itself. Some have responed and have been saved. Many have rejected. But, I do my part and allow God to do His in the work of evangelism.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Piney, if I've appeared to be rude I apologize. We will just have a agree to disagree. We clearly do not see in the scripture the same thing. And, while you accuse me and others of not rightly dividing the word I have leveled the same accusation against you. And, so we both have a bloody nose. I for one have better things to do than to trade blows with a bother in Christ.

On this we agree. A part from the work of God in my life, revealing to me the truth, convicting me of my sin, and leading me into His grace, I could not have been saved. Now don't accuse me of being a Calvinist. I'm not. I hate that label. Simply, I am a born again believer who actively shares the good news of Jesus Christ whenever the opportunity presents itself. Some have responed and have been saved. Many have rejected. But, I do my part and allow God to do His in the work of evangelism.

Your apology is accepted, and accept mine as well. As for your hating Calvinists, or Calvinism, I will leave that to them. I am not a Calvinist, as you can see despite my adherence to the Doctrine of Grace. Much as I love my Calvinist brethren, there are differences between the way we see things.

Allow me, however, to address a few more misconceptions here.
Just because I believe that when Christ redeemed His people, they were all redeemed, past, present, and future, does not mean that evangelism is out of the picture.

I am against the missionism that has crept in among my people. Primarily because although those who went out to the "mission fields" among my people did not go out to get souls "saved" in the way that Arminians and some Calvinists do, I saw that there was much haste to plant Primitive Baptist churches among my countrymen, the Filipinos, which resulted in some (not all) quick ordinations (which I think went against the Bible) and in converts which were by and large proselytes from other Baptist groups.

I had the impression that the reason for their going out on the mission field was primarily to spread PB doctrine instead of disseminate the good news of a finished salvation to people in a country under the grip of Roman Catholicism. If you've ever been to parts of South America, you would know what I mean.

Evangelism is preaching the gospel and the gospel is good news of a FINISHED salvation done by God for His glory alone. As it is, and please take no offense, your idea of why evangelism is to be done is to get souls eternally saved when they put their faith in Christ.

When the gospel is preached and people respond to it, these people responded to it because they were already redeemed and alive (regenerated) in Christ, and the Lord's purpose is for these souls to be discipled.

Someone asked: Does a person’s ability to understand the message of the gospel determine whether or not he is really redeemed? Does perception determine reality ?

The gospel is to dispense information and instruction, not to effect eternal salvation which alone is the work of Christ, and that is what evangelism is: a dispensation of information and of instruction.

It is when someone says evangelism should result in the eternal salvation of souls that I have problems.

 

[Amy.G]

Bro. Pinoy, is this belief (2 salvations) common among Primitive Baptists?

 

[pinoybaptist]

Bro. Pinoy, is this belief (2 salvations) common among Primitive Baptists?

It is prevalent, but not common. There are those who do oppose this doctrine among the PB's, but when I take a look at their oppositions, they appear to me to be "knee-jerk" and without a clear understanding of the principles and concept behind the doctrine, like standingfirminChrist's sarcasm and knee-jerk mockery of it and of Calvinist beliefs.
Here are a couple of links, one of which is anti and the other pro, assuming of course that the question was done in honest inquiry, and you are interested to know exactly what this thing is.

time salvation (anti) and

pbpage (pro).

The reason I am pro is because I believe and understand from Scriptures that while eternal salvation was planned, authored, and executed by God alone, it is His purpose in the preaching of the gospel to reveal Jesus Christ to a world that did not know Him at that time, and even now, just as Jesus Christ revealed the Father to the Jews who were under the grip of religious Judaism and whom He called out to be apostles and disciples.

Thank you for your inquiry, and again, I repeat, the Scriptures may be referring to two kinds of salvation, or to two aspects of one salvation.
I am not saying that the Bible definitely teaches two salvations.

 

[Amy.G]

It was an honest question, not mocking at all. However, I do disagree with you.
Thanks.

I will look into those links just to understand more of what you're saying.

 

[pinoybaptist]

It was an honest question, not mocking at all.

No offense meant, Amy. It's just that I've had people ask me that in a mocking way, not only on BB but other boards, and when I point them to references, they don't even take time to read and try to understand what is being said, but go right back to sarcasm.
I thank you once more for your honest inquiry.

However, I do disagree with you.
Thanks.

Disagreeing or agreeing with me is not going to have any effect on Christ's finished work for you, or me. But, thanks for disagreeing in a kind way.

I will look into those links just to understand more of what you're saying.

I would suggest doing that when you're not really busy because the second link is in pdf form (which I hate, I much prefer html or webpage form) and rather long.

 

[nunatak]

Soul salvation, or eternal salvation, is all OF God. Salvation is Of THE LORD, cried out the psalmist. Paul said "not by works of righteousnesses which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us", to Titus.

It is an all-encompassing salvation, in that the blood of Jesus Christ redeemed every sinner for whom He authored eternal redemption who were scattered all over the earth, and existed before and during His time.

I believe that we are reconciled to God because of Christ, alone. I am thankful that your doctrine gives all the glory to God for our salvation.

Eternal salvation depended on the will of God, the obedience of the Son, and the work of the Holy Spirit. There is NOTHING required from the recipient.

When He finished His work at the cross, here in time, the work of redemption of His people was complete. Nothing else had to be added. The redeemed sinner, wherever he was on this earth at that time and heneforth had access to heaven.

I too believe that the sins of the elect were paid for by Christ on the cross; Christ bore the penalty of my sins, then, when he died, not when I had faith. However, I also believe that Justification, which I think you did not mention, comes presently, when, because of God's grace, I place my faith in Christ. Romans 5 plainly teaches that at the moment my faith is placed in Christ, God imputes to me the gracious gift of righteousness. Before that moment, I was not justified.

Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Rom 5:16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
Rom 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Clearly Christ paid for all on the cross, 2000 years ago, once. But Justification comes when I place my faith in Christ, not before. Therefore, Justification, and the gift of righteousness do not come until I presently place my faith in Christ, alone. This does not diminish the glory and the power and the majesty of Christ's death!! Rather, how much more glorious, when BY GOD'S GRACE, alone, I, through faith, have Christ's righteousness imputed to me. This faith can not be generated by the natural man. I could not have faith until I heard the gospel of Jesus Christ, of his glorious death and triumphant resurrection. Only then could God's grace give me faith to believe, and to confess my belief.

Evangelism is preaching the gospel and the gospel is good news of a FINISHED salvation done by God for His glory alone. As it is, and please take no offense, your idea of why evangelism is to be done is to get souls eternally saved when they put their faith in Christ.

When the gospel is preached and people respond to it, these people responded to it because they were already redeemed and alive (regenerated) in Christ, and the Lord's purpose is for these souls to be discipled.

Again I say, yes, ALL was paid for by Christ, on the cross. There is no more sacrifice, no more blood of our righteous Savior spilled today. And yes, God gives those he chooses the grace of faith, and then He justifies them, not before.

 

[Allan]

We have discussed this before brother Pinoy, and we will continue to disagree on your understanding of the mechanics but will also continue to agree that in Christ alone we have salvation from God alone through grace alone by faith alone.

One of my main points of disagreements is that in your view a person can be saved and never have placed their faith in Christ.

You place this person in the eternally saved but not temporally saved catagory if I remember it right (feel free to correct me cause it has been a while since we discussed this).

But to the person who places faith in Christ you say is both eternally saved and temporally saved as well. (again if I'm remembering it correctly).

What benifit is there eternally to temporal salvation or better what good is the temporal salvation of one compared to the eternal salvation of the one who never believed??

 

[David Lamb]

But, sag, it is in the Bible... if you twist the meanings of 'predestination,' 'all,' 'whole,' and other words that Calvinist doctrine change to fit their own belief.

Hopefully to save misunderstanding, may I say that belief in two salvations is not a doctrine held generally by all (or even most) calvinists/believers in the "Doctrines of Grace". It seems to be a doctrine held by some in the American grouping known as "Primitive Baptists".

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Actually David,

I am in err. The primitive baptist's (of which group pinoy is a member) according to their church, is apparently the only true church and all others apparently will one day find they served the Lord for naught.

Sounds like the man that stood in the street and said "Lord, I thank thee that I am not like that sinner over there..."

Sad.

From www.pbpage.org/html/believe.html :
It is the first of the kind, tracing its identity to the church which Christ established. It is very simple, adorned only with that beauty which Christ gave His church. It is original, the very church of Christ.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Actually David,

I am in err. The primitive baptist's (of which group pinoy is a member) according to their church, is apparently the only true church and all others apparently will one day find they served the Lord for naught.

Sounds like the man that stood in the street and said "Lord, I thank thee that I am not like that sinner over there..."
Sad.

From www.pbpage.org/html/believe.html :
It is the first of the kind, tracing its identity to the church which Christ established. It is very simple, adorned only with that beauty which Christ gave His church. It is original, the very church of Christ.

[/quote]

I am a member of a Primitive Baptist church, not of the Primitive Baptist church, because there exists no such entity. As far as I know, almost every Baptist church member's church on this board claims descendancy from the New Testament church that Jesus Christ founded.

And many times on this board, I have stated that personally I do not believe that there is any church existing right now on this earth, Baptist or otherwise, who can trace its origins back to the first New Testament church founded by Jesus Christ Himself.

The church of which I was a member traces its roots only as far as the Welsh Baptists, and no further. In your haste to look for loopholes and mud, kid, you forgot that each Baptist church is autonomous, and no one church speaks for and in behalf of the other.

How about I say you have the same viciousness, irrelevance, callousness, and ignorance as Fred Phelps because he is a Baptist and you are a Baptist, and you therefore belong to the same group ? I am sure you will counter with "no way, our church does not agree with him", and being a Baptist I know what you are saying, and will think twice or thrice before I even began to say such statements.

Yet you don't use discretion, and you don't use your shiny head, kid.

I wonder if you think that the Savior has a special niche for you and your kind up there in heaven, assuming you are indeed heaven bound by God's grace, where He would tell you: Well, done, standingfirminChrist (or whatever your name is), stay here right by my side. You have triple crowns waiting for you because you have been such an enemy of your other brethren.

Do you really honestly think that what you believe against what others believe will get you quicker to heaven ? Discussions are for learning, kid, not for putting others down, like you looove to do with Calvinists, and now Primitive Baptists.

What you and I believe on this earth won't matter an ounce of dung when we get to heaven, because like I've said and will always say: Christ did not redeem anyone on the basis of their doctorates, masterals, bachelor's, or associate's degrees, or on the basis of their being rabid anti-Calvinists or anti-Arminians.

So now, let me ask you, kid, what does your church say about its succession. Does it teach you also descended from the New Testament church, or doesn't it ?

 

[pinoybaptist]

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One of my main points of disagreements is that in your view a person can be saved and never have placed their faith in Christ.

Again, the points to consider is that eternal salvation is entirely dependent upon the mercy of God on the sinner, not on his faith, obedience, or knowledge.
We need to be able to see the difference between eternal salvation and temporal salvation.
I would think of temporal salvation as a believer having preached the gospel of a finished redemption and have someone approach him and say he was convicted with what he heard and would like to learn more.
What should the preacher do ?
Tell this person to go home and pray about it ?
Or take this person under his wings and disciple him, in accordance with the instructions of the Lord.
If the second step is taken, and this person professing conviction is truly a regenerate child of God, then he manifests faith (if he belonged to another religion or creed he turns away from his faith on that false god to faith in the true God), repentance (which has the same fruits as faith), and obedience (perhaps he gets baptized, or keeps on attending church, and getting discipled).

But the questions are: will all preachers of the gospel reach every single human being on this planet as they live or die ? Obviously the answer is no. If the answer is no, and our belief is that there has to be active manifestation of faith before any actual redemption takes place, then the work of redemption becomes dependent on the ability of gospel preachers and missionaries to reach human beings, and it no longer rests on the finished work of Christ at the cross, and if He accomplished nothing at the cross without His work being preached, accepted, and believed in here on earth, then the Bible is not trustworthy because that Bible says He died once for all and obtained eternal redemption for us all . And you know what Scriptures I am referring to.
And in that same book, Hebrews, it tells us that He sat down (a figurative way of saying "rested") at the right hand of power. But what rest is there when nothing has been accomplished ?
Which is why I say "eternal redemption" is finished, whether the redeemed knows it or not, has faith on it or not, because his redemption is for heaven and not for earth.
On the other hand, there is still a need to go and preach the gospel, because it is God's will that the Son be revealed to as many as those that limited human preachers can reach, because their limitations in their presence is no hindrance to the Holy Spirit who is everywhere, and by the time they are where they have been called to, the Holy Spirit Himself has prepared the hearts of those for whom the gospel is intended.

Another question is: are all gospel preachers preachers of the true gospel ?
Were Roman Catholic missionaries of past centuries preachers of the true gospel ? Are Mormon missionaries preachers of the true gospel ? Are JW's preachers of the true gospel ? Are SDA's preachers of the true gospel ? Is Fred Phelps a preacher of the true gospel ? Moses David, or David Berg of the Family, was a Baptist preacher, then he founded the promiscuous "Children of God", but I understand previous to that, he was a missionary, was he a preacher of the true gospel ?
There are many other numerous examples.
What are we going to do with those whom these people reached and converted ahead of the preachers of the true gospel, conclude they are damned because of their circumstances ?
But God is above all circumstances, and He will not fail His people whom He had promised redemption to, and He did not fail when Christ went up on that cross, because He knew each and everyone of His own, after all He is the owner of the Book of Life, and those whose names were written there had their names written there BEFORE the foundation of the world, how then can He turn back on His word that "none shall be lost but the son of perdition".

You place this person in the eternally saved but not temporally saved catagory if I remember it right (feel free to correct me cause it has been a while since we discussed this).

Again, this person was redeemed at the cross here in time, irrespective of his knowledge, faith, creed, location, or politics. God's people are scattered all over the earth, divided and separated geographically, politically, by creed and religion, tongue, circumstances. If their eternal salvation and subsequent regeneration were dependent on the limited ability of a human being to be everywhere all the time, unlike the Holy Spirit, then the Lord will have no one among the most remote tribes of this earth, and if being born a member of a remote tribe equals eternal damnation, then God is no longer just.
As it is, since the Bible tells us that God's redeemed shall come from all tongues, all nations, and all kindreds, then that can only be true if the redemption done by Christ at the cross were independent from the temporal nature of blessings brought about by obedience, faith, and repentance as a result of hearing the true gospel, and of obeying it.

<snip>
What benifit is there eternally to temporal salvation or better what good is the temporal salvation of one compared to the eternal salvation of the one who never believed??

The problem is that we are pitting benefits against benefits, and therefore losing sight of God's glory.
The purpose of redemption is, alpha to omega, God's glory. Ephesians tells us this.
God had no obligation to save anyone, as I am sure you will agree, but TO HIS GLORY (just emphasis, not yelling) He did save many, because He is a merciful God.
Having obtained eternal redemption for His people, the purpose of gospel preaching is to (1) reveal Christ to His people. We need to see the religious and cultural context at the time when Christ sent out His apostles. There was NO NATION on earth which knew of the One True God, and of His Son Jesus Christ, yet the redemption which the Triune God authored encompassed all generations, all nations, and all kindreds (the world, if you will) where He had His people.
(2) to instruct and edify. Clearly indicated in the Scriptures.

The temporal salvation that results from obedience to the gospel, and from removing oneself from the error of his religion, brings blessings to the child of God as a natural consequence of obedience, but at the same time brings, in some cultures then as today, persecution and afflictions.

Either way, it brings glory to God, and that is the ultimate purpose, whether one experiences both eternal and timely salvation.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Clearly Christ paid for all on the cross, 2000 years ago, once. But Justification comes when I place my faith in Christ, not before. Therefore, Justification, and the gift of righteousness do not come until I presently place my faith in Christ, alone. This does not diminish the glory and the power and the majesty of Christ's death!! Rather, how much more glorious, when BY GOD'S GRACE, alone, I, through faith, have Christ's righteousness imputed to me. This faith can not be generated by the natural man. I could not have faith until I heard the gospel of Jesus Christ, of his glorious death and triumphant resurrection. Only then could God's grace give me faith to believe, and to confess my belief.

The difference is that the Bible speaks in two dimensions. The eternal, and the temporal. The heavenly, and the earthly. The first Adam, which is earthy, and the second Adam, which is heavenly. We have a heavenly body, and we have an earthly body. There is a church in heaven, and there are churches, on earth.

So with justification, and sanctification.

The blood of Christ justified us before the Father, in the heavenly or eternal sense.

Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Romans 8:30.

And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:11.

And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. (Romans 5:16)

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. Romans 5:18

Our faith in Christ justifies us before men.

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 3:27-31

And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. Galatians 3:38

So you see, all the redeemed are justified in the eternal sense because of Christ's blood and finished work, but those who obey the gospel, here in time, are justified in the sense that you are speaking of, in their faith in Christ before men.