SALVATION FOR THOSE KILLED IN THE FLOOD?

It's taught in all the major secular universities and many seminaries as well, so it must not be too "tired"...

 

all that shows, BW, is that it is a product of man's thought processes and not what is necessarily right. The majority in intellectual circles is often worse than the majority down on the streets in terms of failing to find the truth of a matter.

 

Well, it must be true then. So is Darwinism. So is Freudianism. So is Marxism. So are the conclusions of the Jesus Seminar. So is the dogma of homosexual activists. So is moral relativism. So is atheism.

I stand corrected.

 

Please sit down again, Thomas! You were doing better before...

 

Unfortunately, Peter didn't write 2 Peter, which depends on Jude and dates to the early 2nd c.AD. But even if he did, did he claim to be an independent eyewitness to Noah or did he use the same Bible we have? As such, any human NT opinion on the historicity is irrelevant compared to the claims of Genesis itself.

Does the author of Hebrews claim an independent witness to Noah? Why does his opinion matter?

No comment...

 

In other words, BW, you throw away anything you don't agree with.

Be careful. God does the same.

 

Oh, of course. Despite the fact that verse one claims otherwise, and that many scholars have dated 2 Peter to the mid-first century, I'll have to side with the "expert" on this one.

 

> In other words, BW, you throw away anything you don't agree with. Be careful. God does the same.

Or rather, I test everything and hold on to the good. (1 Thess 5:12)

 

You have no real way of testing it. You are depending on men's ideas rather than what God says. You are preferring men's minds to God. That's a dangerous position to take.

 

Oh, of course. Despite the fact that verse one claims otherwise, and that many scholars have dated 2 Peter to the mid-first century, I'll have to side with the "expert" on this one. </font>[/QUOTE]The solid consensus of mainline scholars is that Peter did not write 2 Peter.

Why do you think "Peter" felt the need to borrow so much from Jude?

 

Here is the NIV introduction to 2 Peter:

There are conspicuous similarities between 2 Peter and Jude (compare 2 Peter 2 with Jude 4-18), but there are also conspicuous differences. It has been suggested that one borrowed from the other or that they both drew on a common source. If there is borrowing, it is not a slavish borrowoing but one that adapts to suit the writer's purpose. While many have insisted that Jude used Peter, it is more reasonable to assume that the longer letter (Peter) incorporated much of the shorter (Jude). Such borrowing is fairly common in ancient writings. For example, many believe that Paul used parts of early hymns in Phil. 2:6-11 and 1 Tim. 3:16.

In addition, anyone who knows the Bible can point to a number of others. Many times Psalms are quotes, and the Psalms themselves sometimes quote from others (compare 113 with Hannah's prayer in 1 Sam. 2).

The two letters from Peter follow the same style and grammatical structures, with the first dealing with problems from outside the church and the other with problems that would erupt from within the church -- like the problem of people claiming the Scriptures were false, or maybe just 'mythological' as he states in his third chapter:

Dear friends, this is not my second letter to you. I have writen both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking. I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles.

First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers willcome, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, 'Where is this "coming" he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation'

But they deliberately forget that long ago, by God's word.....

and he then goes on to speak of both creation and the Flood.

 

Helen,
Perhaps we just need to embrace metaphysical and methodological naturalism, so that we can come to hold the same consensus opinions of all these so-called mainline "scholars."

 

OHHHH, then we really are only advanced apes!

I was wondering about some of my kids!

On the other hand, I really do love them, and they ARE improving (evolving?), and I really don't want to trash the Bible.


sooooo, I guess I will stay where I am, leaning on the Word of God....if it falls, so do I. It's got a pretty good record of hanging in there, though. Better than the scholars -- espeically mainstream -- do...

 

Good answer