Salvation Formula

[Van]

The term translated "baptized" means immersion. Typically water, or in the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ. I understand Romans 6:1-5 to be speaking of the meaning of believer's water immersion. 1 Corinthians 12:13 in the Holy Spirit immersion into the body of Christ.

I am not going to change the subject and dispute Romans 6:3 is referring to our spiritual baptism, lets focus on all the other verses. God puts believers into Christ. We are made alive together with Christ.(Ephesians 2:5)
And I do not see how anyone could claim water baptism results in new life together with Christ, unless advocating a works based salvation.

 

[Van]

Christ was made sin. If only treated there would be no cure fore our sins. Treated is like the physicians of the world. They do not cure only treat the symptoms. Being treated is not curing. Christ was made sin so that God could crush it and cure the sinner.
MB

I think you meant to post this regurgitation to another thread, this is the Salvation Formula thread.

 

[MB]

I think you meant to post this regurgitation to another thread, this is the Salvation Formula thread.

This thread like the other one is just as false and you don't want to answer. This is because you know it's false. There is only thing men need to do and that is to trust in Christ.
MB

 

[Van]

MB, shouting false, false without supporting the view from scripture is twaddle. Claiming to be a mind reader is infantile. The salvation formula includes trusting fully in Christ.

Revealing Grace + Repentance + Faith + Election + Spiritual Baptism + Conversion + Indwelling = Salvation + Good Works

Repentance + Faith = turning from our self-centered life to trusting in Christ alone with our life, now and forever.

This is not a superficial faith, like soil #2 (Matthew 13) or trusting Jesus and worldly treasure like soil #3, but going "all in" for Christ alone.

 

[MB]

MB, shouting false, false without supporting the view from scripture is twaddle. Claiming to be a mind reader is infantile. The salvation formula includes trusting fully in Christ.

Revealing Grace + Repentance + Faith + Election + Spiritual Baptism + Conversion + Indwelling = Salvation + Good Works

Repentance + Faith = turning from our self-centered life to trusting in Christ alone with our life, now and forever.

This is not a superficial faith, like soil #2 (Matthew 13) or trusting Jesus and worldly treasure like soil #3, but going "all in" for Christ alone.

. Just believing in Christ that He died for our sins and rose again on the third day after death is enough.
Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Actually few there be indeed that manage to completely turn from sin. Make no mistake turning from your sins is work.
MB

 

[37818]

I am not going to change the subject and dispute Romans 6:3 is referring to our spiritual baptism, lets focus on all the other verses. God puts believers into Christ. We are made alive together with Christ.(Ephesians 2:5)
And I do not see how anyone could claim water baptism results in new life together with Christ, unless advocating a works based salvation.

Romans 6:1-5 makes no such claim for the "baptism" to change anyone. Baptism is the believer's burial with Christ "in the likeness of his death" and coming out of the water "in the likeness of resurrection."

 

[Van]

Thanks, 37818 for your statement of belief, you do not believe we are transferred spiritually into Christ, despite the half dozen verses. No need to continue. For the record, water baptism is symbolic and accomplishes getting you wet in accordance with the command of Christ. You are not made alive spiritually by water baptism, you do not walk in newness of life because of water baptism.

Good-bye

 

[Van]

. Just believing in Christ that He died for our sins and rose again on the third day after death is enough.
Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Actually few there be indeed that manage to completely turn from sin. Make no mistake turning from your sins is work.
MB

So there is no need to have your faith credited as righteousness. No need for God to put you in Christ. No need to undergo the circumcision of Christ. and no need to be indwelt. Just believe like the second soil and voila, you are saved. Got it, thanks.

Good bye.

 

[37818]

Thanks, 37818 for your statement of belief, you do not believe we are transferred spiritually into Christ, despite the half dozen verses. No need to continue. For the record, water baptism is symbolic and accomplishes getting you wet in accordance with the command of Christ. You are not made alive spiritually by water baptism, you do not walk in newness of life because of water baptism.

Good-bye

Yes. Romans 6:1-5 speaks of the symbolic meaning. And its meaning is a reason we should walk in our new life we have through our faith.

 

[MB]

So there is no need to have your faith credited as righteousness. No need for God to put you in Christ. No need to undergo the circumcision of Christ. and no need to be indwelt. Just believe like the second soil and voila, you are saved. Got it, thanks.

Good bye.

Believing is having faith. And true faith is always credited as righteousness. God the Father has His Son that does all the things that are needed for Salvation when we believe. Salvation is always through belief in Christ. Yes Salvation is just that simple. Turning from your sins is impossible with out Christ
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

Spiritual Baptism = God sets a person apart by placing them spiritually “in Christ.”

Conversion = Once “in Christ” a person undergoes the circumcision of Christ and arises “in Christ” a new creation, created for good works. It is a spiritual work of God, not us changing our minds.

Indwelling = After God puts us spiritually in Christ, He seals us in Christ with the Holy Spirit forever. The Holy Spirit provides each born again (converted) believer with light to understand the meat of God’s word, awareness of the will of God, and brings to mind our sins such that we are convicted. As we grow more mature, we will exhibit the fruit of the Spirit.

ALL of that happens at the same time in the life of a sinner who becomes a saint though!

 

[Van]

Sequence is provided in scripture, as well as by logical necessity. We have to have been put into Christ before we can be sealed in Christ.

But when we are set apart in Christ we then are saints - those set apart in Christ.

We are chosen individually when God credits our faith as righteousness and transfers us out of the realm of darkness (in Adam) and into the kingdom of His beloved Son, Colossians 1:13. The "sanctification by the Spirit" also refers to God setting us apart in Christ. (2 Thessalonians 2:13) Ditto the "sanctifying work of the Spirit, 1 Peter 1:1-2. Then we have 1 Corinthians 1:30 where God puts us in Christ. And of course we have

Romans 6:1-4:
6 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.

John 6:37 All that the Father gives Me will come [be transferred] to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.

Note that the result of being given to Christ results in the person being "in Christ" because Christ promises to not cast the person out.

This action by God to give us to Christ is the Spiritual Baptism term of the formula.

 

[Yeshua1]

Sequence is provided in scripture, as well as by logical necessity. We have to have been put into Christ before we can be sealed in Christ.

But when we are set apart in Christ we then are saints - those set apart in Christ.

We are chosen individually when God credits our faith as righteousness and transfers us out of the realm of darkness (in Adam) and into the kingdom of His beloved Son, Colossians 1:13. The "sanctification by the Spirit" also refers to God setting us apart in Christ. (2 Thessalonians 2:13) Ditto the "sanctifying work of the Spirit, 1 Peter 1:1-2. Then we have 1 Corinthians 1:30 where God puts us in Christ. And of course we have

Romans 6:1-4:
6 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.

John 6:37 All that the Father gives Me will come [be transferred] to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.

Note that the result of being given to Christ results in the person being "in Christ" because Christ promises to not cast the person out.

This action by God to give us to Christ is the Spiritual Baptism term of the formula.

God the father chose us to be saved in Christ from Eternity past, when the "right time" happens, the Holy Spirit quickens/enables/regenerates us to be able to respond to Jesus in faith, so its chosen/elected/regenerated/faith in Christ/spiritually baptized/sealed and indwelt !

 

[Van]

Repeating false assertions that are clearly precluded by scripture is futile.
God chose us after we had not been His people, 1 Peter 2:9-10. Therefore the election of Ephesians 1:4 is corporate. That is why it says we were chosen in Him.

We are made alive, regenerated, born anew, when we are together with Christ, no one is regenerated outside of Christ. He is the way, the truth and the life.

Three of the four soils of Matthew 13 were able to respond to Jesus in faith.

The actual biblical Salvation:
Revealing Grace + Repentance + Faith + Election + Spiritual Baptism + Conversion + Indwelling = Salvation + Good Works

Where:

Revealing Grace = hearing and understanding the call through the gospel of Christ.

Repentance + Faith = turning from our self-centered life to trusting in Christ alone with our life, now and forever.

Election = God choosing for salvation those whose faith He credits as righteousness.

Spiritual Baptism = God sets a person apart by placing them spiritually “in Christ.”

Conversion = Once “in Christ” a person undergoes the circumcision of Christ and arises “in Christ” a new creation, created for good works. It is a spiritual work of God, not us changing our minds.

Indwelling = After God puts us spiritually in Christ, He seals us with the Holy Spirit forever. The Holy Spirit provides each born again (converted) believer with light to understand the meat of God’s word, awareness of the will of God, and brings to mind our sins such that we are convicted. As we grow more mature, we will exhibit the fruit of the Spirit.

Salvation = First our "spiritual baptism into Christ" results in "positional sanctification" freeing us from the penalty of sin; Next as our indwelt Holy Spirit leads us from new born Christian to Christian maturity describes our "progressive sanctification" freeing us from the power of sin; and finally our adoption in glorified bodies at Christ's second coming results in our "ultimate sanctification" freeing us from the presence of sin.

Good Works = reflects our accomplishments for Christ after our positional sanctification and conversion during the remainder of our physical lifetime. If we build on Christ's foundation, we will enter heaven "abundantly" but if our "good works" burn up like straw, we still enter heaven, but as one escaping from a fire.